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1 posted on 04/11/2006 10:35:03 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Academic freedom at Cornell? Who woulda thought?


2 posted on 04/11/2006 10:38:51 AM PDT by mlc9852
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There is nothing wrong with ID being taught in school - its only when they teach it in science class as valid science that it threatens the future of the country.


3 posted on 04/11/2006 10:38:55 AM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Well, no matter what side of the evolution/ID debate you are on, what's wrong with it as a college elective course? Hopefully it promotes critical thinking, discussion, etc., in a more learned atmosphere. This is certainly preferable to confusing 8th and 9th graders with what is a much more scientifically detailed debate, which is whether there are legitimate scientific questions about evolution.


5 posted on 04/11/2006 10:44:02 AM PDT by Paddlefish (Past tester for Preparations A through G)
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To: PatrickHenry

ping


8 posted on 04/11/2006 10:48:11 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Related issue going on here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613178/posts


11 posted on 04/11/2006 10:58:57 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Unfettered gun ownership is the highest expression of civil rights.)
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Taught by senior lecturer Allen MacNeill of the Ecology and Evolutionary Biology department, Cornell's four-credit seminar course will use books such as "Debating Design," by William Dembski and Michael Ruse; and "Darwin's Black Box," by Michael Behe.

It is being taught in the hard sciences. I'm wondering what the level of the coursework will be. If it is graduate level, the students will ahve a much deeper understanding of biological sciences than the majority of people in the crevo debates. This may be an elective that will simply be testing students by dissecting faulty ID concepts.

12 posted on 04/11/2006 10:59:21 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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13 posted on 04/11/2006 11:00:22 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: SirLinksalot; PatrickHenry
See this website for details

I think you'll get a good idea of where the instructor is coming from here.

This link shows that the professor thinks modern day ID (the kind espoused by DI) is religion.

14 posted on 04/11/2006 11:04:18 AM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: SirLinksalot

I'm sure they have philosophy courses. Even if you define science to exclude speculation like ID, it should still constitute philosophy and an interesting intellectual challenge that should be debated, not silenced.


26 posted on 04/11/2006 11:44:58 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: SirLinksalot

Another book to be added to the course's syllabus?
41 posted on 04/11/2006 12:19:02 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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47 posted on 04/11/2006 12:31:15 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: SirLinksalot

Fantastic


54 posted on 04/11/2006 12:37:12 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: SirLinksalot
I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. The guy who developed the course, Allan McNeill, says "as an evolutionary biologist, I will of course be entering the discussion from the standpoint of a methodological naturalist, with all of the metaphysical assumptions that position entails."

I suggest people check out the discussion on Telic Thoughts.

93 posted on 04/11/2006 1:57:43 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: SirLinksalot

Where's the office pool on how long it will be before the professor is moved next to the incinerator in the utility building?


120 posted on 04/11/2006 5:55:09 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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"We have found him always ready to go out of his way to encourage diversity of thought, and his former students speak highly of his fairness," the group said. "We look forward to a course where careful examination of the issues and critical thinking is encouraged."

There you go. Perhaps there's hope for American universities yet...
186 posted on 04/12/2006 11:00:47 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals regardless of their party affiliation.)
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ROFLOL!!!!!!!!


290 posted on 04/13/2006 8:04:30 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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