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To: vrwc0915

"I hope their paper money keeps them warm and well fed"

As opposed to gold which will keep you warm? Hard to eat gold too, tends to break your teeth and then you need to use that gold for a filling.

Why do these economic "the sky is falling" chicken littles always sell gold? How does anyone think its realistic to even think there's a global housing bubble? We've been hearing about a national bubble for years and it hasn't happened. The reason housing prices went up so fast is money was cheap to borrow and once everyone had taken their money outta the stock market they had to put it someplace. People have to live someplace, they dont have to own stock.


71 posted on 03/22/2006 4:07:16 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Why do these economic "the sky is falling" chicken littles always sell gold?

Maybe because 3,000 years of recorded human history now points conclusively to the dollar being one more in a long series of currencies going bust? Or perhaps you can point to one case in human history where an unbacked fiat currency has been printed to infinity from thin air, where it did NOT go bust? Let's see...the Roman Denarius? The French Assignat? The Weimar Deutsch Mark? Can you point to one, please?

The "Chicken LIttles" you cite are students of economic history, and they are whispering to you that it might be a good time to move toward the lifeboats. But if you believe Captain Smith, and want to remain on the bridge, that's your decision.

What Chicken Little dares to say there is danger ahead? This is the greatest ship ever created by man! Why, it's engines, right now, are running at record RPMs! It is bigger, faster, and stronger than any ship ever built befor it! There is absolutely nothing in the future which can be a possible risk to this mighty vessel! This great ship even incorporates the very latest in watertight compartmentation advances, and it is virtually usinkable. So anybody who is spreading rumors about the danger of icebergs ahead is a doom and gloom nay-sayer! Full speed ahead!"


76 posted on 03/22/2006 8:10:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: driftdiver; NewRomeTacitus; little jeremiah; CodeToad; vrwc0915

Here are a few "chicken littles" who are NOT selling gold. Please note the academic and business credentials of these "chicken littles."

Rodrigo de Rato, Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund at a recent speech at the University of California at Berkeley, stated that “while global current account imbalances have been widening, the fact that they have been financed easily thus far seems to be inducing a sense of complacency among policy makers. I think they should be more concerned. This is not to say that the risk of a disorderly adjustment is imminent, but the problem is growing, and if a disorderly adjustment does take place, it will be very costly and disruptive to the world economy.

The most visible aspect of the global imbalances problem is a very large deficit in the current account of the balance of payments of the United States – amounting to about 6.25% of GDP. The main problem is that in the United States savings are too low. These global imbalances could unwind quickly, and in a very disruptive way, with either an abrupt fall in the rate of consumption growth (i.e. increased savings) in the United States which is holding up the world economy or by investors abroad becoming unwilling to hold increasing amounts of U.S. financial asset, and demand higher interest rates and a depreciation of the U.S. dollar, which in turn forces U.S. domestic demand to contract.”

Economic Pain

Timothy Adams, Undersecretary of Treasury for International Affairs, stated recently that “the world economy is dangerously imbalanced and the U.S. current account deficit is now at levels that many experts fear could trigger a run on the dollar, soaring interest rates, and global economic pain.”

Severe Consequences

Robert E. Rubin, director of Citigroup Inc. and former Secretary of the Treasury; Peter Orszag, Senior Fellow at Brookings Institution; and Allen Sinai, Chief Global Economist at Decision Economics Inc., made a presentation to a joint session of the American Economic Foundation and the North American Economics and Finance Association recently.

They stated that “the scale of the nation’s projected budgetary imbalances is now so large that the risk of severe consequences must be taken very seriously. Continued substantial deficits could cause a fundamental shift in market expectations and a related loss of confidence both at home and abroad. This, in turn, could cause investors and creditors to reallocate funds away from dollar-based investments, causing a depreciation of the exchange rate, and to demand sharply higher interest rates on U.S. government debt. The increase of interest rates, depreciation of the exchange rate, and the decline in confidence could reduce stock prices and household wealth, raise the cost of financing to business, and reduce private-sector domestic spending.”

Wild Ride

Paul Kasriel, Director of Economic Research at Northern Trust and co-author of the book ‘Seven Indicators That Move markets’, has stated that “If foreign creditors should question our ability and willingness to repay them without resorting to the currency printing press, there could be a run on the dollar, which would lead to sharply higher U.S. interest rates, which would do great harm to household finances and the housing market, which would put a crimp in consumer spending, which would increase unemployment, which would result in a spike in mortgage defaults, which would likely cripple the banking system given that a record 61% of total bank credit is mortgage related, which would, in turn, render future Fed interest rate cuts -expected on or about September 20th, 2006 - less potent in reviving the economy.

We have the most highly leveraged economy in the postwar period and the Fed is still raising rates and in the past 30 years or so, whenever the Fed has raised interest rates, we have usually had financial accidents. Our federal government is spending like a drunken sailor so my advice is to put on your safety harness as it is going to be a wild ride. My bet is that we are going to end up on the rocks.”

Category 6 Fiscal Storm

Isabel V. Sawhill, Vice President and Director and Alice M. Rivlin, Senior Fellow of Economic Studies at the Brookings Institution have said that “the federal budget deficits pose grave risks – a category 6 fiscal storm – to the U.S. economy. The current course is simply not sustainable. Promises to the elderly, especially about medical care, cannot be kept unless taxes are raised to levels that are unprecedented or other activities of the government are slashed. Postponing such action would be reckless and short-sighted.

Massive amounts of capital have flowed in from around the world, financing much of America’s federal deficit, as well as its international (or current account) deficit. While this inflow of foreign capital has kept investment in the American economy strong it means that Americans are accumulating obligations to service these debts and repay foreigners out of their future income. As a result, the future income available to Americans will be lower than it would have been without the government deficits. Foreign borrowing also makes the United States vulnerable to the changing whims of foreign investors. There is a risk that Asian central banks, or other large purchasers of dollar securities, will lose confidence in the ability of the United States to manage its fiscal affairs prudently and shift their purchases to euros or other currencies. Such a shift could precipitate a sharp fall in the value of the dollar, which could cause a spike in interest rates, a plunge in the stock and bond markets, and possibly a severe recession. The risk of such a meltdown is unknown, but it seems foolish to run the risk in order to perpetuate large fiscal deficits, which will ultimately reduce Americans’ standard of living.”

Drastic Fall

Sebastian Edwards, the Henry Ford ll Professor of International Business Economics at UCLA’s Anderson School of Management and a research associate of the National Bureau of Economic Research and has been a consultant to the Inter-American Development Bank, the World Bank, the OECD and a number of national and international corporations, has stated that “The future of the U.S. current account – and thus of the dollar – depend on whether foreign investors will continue to add U.S. assets to their investment dollars. Any major reduction in the USA’s ability to obtain sufficient foreign financing would cause the dollar to fall by 21% to 28% during the first three years of any adjustment period, cause a deep GDP growth reduction, and push the USA into recession.”

Substantial Macroeconomic Consequences

Ian Morris, Chief US Economist at HSBC, has said that “about half the US housing market may be overvalued by as much as 35-40%. When these housing bubbles begin to deflate, it is likely to have a substantial macroeconomic consequence.”

Serious Collapse

Ian Shepherdson, Chief US Economist for High Frequency Economics, has warned that “house price increases are going to slow much further dragging down expectations for future price gains and therefore raising real mortgage rates. This, in turn, will be the trigger for a serious collapse in home sales. The housing market is a bubble, and it will burst.”

Systemic Banking Crisis

Richard Duncan, a former consultant for the International Monetary Fund, current Financial Sector Specialist (Asia) at the World Bank and author of the book, ‘The Dollar Crisis’, writes that “the United States’ net indebtedness to the rest of the world, already at record highs, will continue to increase every year into the future until a sharp fall in the value of the dollar against the currencies of all its major trading partners puts an end to the gapping US current account deficit or until the United States is so heavily indebted to the rest of the world that it become incapable of servicing the interest on its multi-trillion dollar debt.

In the meantime, as long as the US current account deficit continues to flood the world with US dollar liquidity, new asset price bubbles are likely to inflate and implode; more systemic banking crises can be expected to occur; and intensifying deflationary pressure can be anticipated as low interest rates and easy credit result in excess industrial capacity and falling prices (i.e. deflation).”


78 posted on 03/22/2006 8:15:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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