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A Dubai Finesse ("This Contract Should Have Been Stopped at an Earlier Stage...")
Washington Post ^ | 02/24/2006 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 02/24/2006 3:08:30 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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To: Peach
That poster isn't letting the actual facts get in the way of his obnoxious posts this morning.

Rules for them, but not for thee?

101 posted on 02/24/2006 5:39:22 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: CWOJackson
Hey Chief;

I think in the "haste to post" on this subject many are running the "Running vs Operating" things together.

The MSM has done it's job on clouding the issue. Almost nowhere do you hear any mention of the local Port Authority, Coast Guard and federal laws. Hardly anywhere is it mentioned the amount of docks per each port that are already under foreign operations/companies. Many do think the ports will become Little Arabia West somehow. Oh, well.

Me, I just feel it should be one way or the other. No special rules for some companies. No to foreign companies or Yes to foreign companies. It is up to Congress to write the laws of this country.
102 posted on 02/24/2006 5:41:03 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: PeteB570
You forgot the (1) in front of Allow and the other conditions Krauthammer listed.

Now you're simply flailing. Neither condition #2 or #3 in any way gainsays the first one; they are ameliorative, not contradictory.

He is not in favor of the deal

He doesn't have to be "in favor" of the deal, by your oddly draconian definition of the term -- which, apparently, would include his undergoing multiple public orgasms every time the faintest shadow of the thought crossed his mind -- for the genuine meat of his argument is, and remains: Allow the contract to go through. This is simple, obvious and shriekingly self-evident.

This is still America and we follow the law.

Point to the specific sentence(s) where Krauthammer plainly, unequivocally advocates anything to the contrary.

If Congress is not in favor of Arab countries running port operations then Congress needs to pass laws that say so.

Point to the specific sentence(s) where Krauthammer plainly, unequivocally advocates anything to the contrary.

A drop-dead certain way not to be accused of cramming words, inelegantly, into any given author's mouth is to Not Cram Words, Inelegantly, Into Any Given Author's Mouth.

Krauthammer argues -- persuasively, I might add -- IN FAVOR of the deal. He needn't pledge allegiance to it, simultaneously, in order for this to be so. This is, as you pointed out, "still America."

103 posted on 02/24/2006 5:42:17 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: Cboldt

Have you actually read the thread? Tell me who jumped ugly first and we'll talk.

And if you think that the language used by that poster is acceptable, then we have nothing to discuss.


104 posted on 02/24/2006 5:42:49 AM PST by Peach
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To: DollyCali
but not when addressing a woman poster.

We'll simply have to agree to disagree, then. Again: I don't hand out brownie points for gender.

Now I have to leave the intellectual arena & get the garbage outi>

You, there; me, here. :)

105 posted on 02/24/2006 5:45:28 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: PeteB570
It's been repeatedly pointed out to those who keep perpetuating these threads that there is a tremendous difference between operating the ports and a managing a commercial operation; those facts don't phase them. Nothing changes with port control or security whatsoever.

There are NO U.S. firms in the business of managing these kinds of facilities; they got out of the business because of the unions. All of these commercial operations are already run by foreign companies, including a firm from the UAE and one from Saudi Arabia.

The fact that DP World bid on the purchase isn't surprising; they're very invested in this field and are very good at what they do. So good that the U.S. Navy already relies upon them.

106 posted on 02/24/2006 5:47:09 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Flail away at insubstantial nits of word choice while pretending not to notice the adamantine, elephantine meat of the article all night long, if you like. (How you jolly yourself online after paying the monthly bill from your ISP is, blessedly, your own lookout, and none of my own.)

I, in turn -- rightfully, and in perpetuity -- reserve the no less sovereign right to point and giggle, if and whenever you (or anyone else) elects to do so in any/all public fora.

Win-win. :)

107 posted on 02/24/2006 5:47:11 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

"The greater and more immediate danger is that as soon as the Dubai company takes over operations, it will necessarily become privy to information about security provisions at crucial U.S. ports. "

This is one of the sillier arguments I've seen and I'm surprised to see it come from Krauthammer. Seeing as Dubai Ports World runs ports all around the world, including in Australia, it is highly likely that they are already familiar with security provisions. What they don't know about US security provisions, certainly they could figure out without actually managing them. And it's doubtful that US security provisions differ very much from those in Australia or other countries.

What this boils down to is that a lot of the critics, sadly including Krauthammer, find it necessary to now rationalize their initial Arabaphobic kneejerk reaction with "clever" little arguments like this.


108 posted on 02/24/2006 5:47:24 AM PST by zook
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To: Echo Talon

Kuwait already runs terminals in the US? Oh my! They'll soon become familiar with port "security provisions!" We're doomed! This is now getting very funny!!


109 posted on 02/24/2006 5:48:49 AM PST by zook
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Point 2 and Point 3.

Special requirements that do not apply to other foreign companies operating in our ports.

Man, you have some serious issues you need to work out this morning.

Take a break troll.


110 posted on 02/24/2006 5:49:13 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: zook

:)


111 posted on 02/24/2006 5:49:57 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"...insubstantial nits of word choice..."

I really hate to break this startling news to you but the loonies are freaking out that the Arabs will be running our ports...which makes it a very significant failure in word choice.

112 posted on 02/24/2006 5:50:04 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Peach
Have you actually read the thread?

Yeah, I like reading flamewars. FR has a good one from time to time.

Tell me who jumped ugly first and we'll talk.

Oh, I'm indifferent as to who started this one. I was simply noticing that YOU failed to ping a poster to your mild insult. Adding my little bit of fuel to the fire, if you will. I know YOU know the rules about pinging, and figured my comment would get a rise. LOL.

But in the closed confines of this thread, it's unlikely that the poster you are insulting will miss your insult, hence being called on a this "ping infraction" is a bit of a cheap shot, a formality. Like being cited for a "rolling stop" where there is clearly no traffic.

... if you think that the language used by that poster is acceptable, then we have nothing to discuss.

Now you're changing the subject.

113 posted on 02/24/2006 5:50:05 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: PeteB570
Man, you have some serious issues you need to work out this morning.

Yeah. I enjoy the holy living heck out of publically humiliating baldfaced liars. Go fig, huh...? :)

Take a break troll.

Troll: a newsgroup post that is deliberately incorrect, intended to provoke readers; or a person who makes such a post. (e.g.: "Krauthammer is against the Dubai Port deal.")

Game, set and match. :)

114 posted on 02/24/2006 5:54:19 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: CWOJackson
a very significant failure in word choice.

In light of the big, blazing, neon Allow the contract to go through, right there in plain sight, for all the world -- including "the loonines" "freaking out" (how ironic, considering some of the more patently Krauthammer-basjings in this very thread) to see...?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... no.

Not really.

No.

115 posted on 02/24/2006 5:58:16 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Man, you really need to re-read that article.

You need to use your finger and move it real slow. It might help you to move your lips as you go over the words.

When you get to the following part really slow down, maybe write the words out on paper:

"This contract should have been stopped at an earlier stage..."

Keep diggin', you hole is only getting deeper.
116 posted on 02/24/2006 5:59:01 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Pssssssst...the operative word here is "control". As Limbaugh likes to say, words have meaning.


117 posted on 02/24/2006 5:59:47 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"including "the loonies" "freaking out" (how ironic, considering some of the more patently Krauthammer-bashings in this very thread)"

Typo correction.

118 posted on 02/24/2006 5:59:57 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: PeteB570
This is still America and we follow the law.

AGAIN: Point to the specific sentence(s) where Krauthammer plainly, unequivocally advocates anything to the contrary.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

If Congress is not in favor of Arab countries running port operations then Congress needs to pass laws that say so.

AGAIN: Point to the specific sentence(s) where Krauthammer plainly, unequivocally advocates anything to the contrary.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

119 posted on 02/24/2006 6:02:33 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: CWOJackson
As Limbaugh likes to say, words have meaning.

Parse the meaning of the six large, red, bold letters in Post #115 for me.

120 posted on 02/24/2006 6:04:01 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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