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India builds a 2,500-mile barrier to rival the Great Wall of China
The Times Online (UK) ^ | December 28, 2005 | The Times Online (UK)

Posted on 12/28/2005 6:33:43 AM PST by CarrotAndStick

Villagers on the Bangladesh border say the fence will cut them from their homeland

TO REACH the baked earth of his mustard field each day, Mohammed Safiqual Biswas must pass coils of barbed wire and armed guards and show his identity card at a security check. The problem is not where Mr Biswas has come from, but where he is going to. His fields lie 60 miles east of Calcutta, right in the no man’s land between India and Bangladesh.

Next month India plans to fence off this area of West Bengal as part of a little-known £600 million project to erect a steel barrier right along its 2,500-mile border with its much smaller Muslim neighbour. As a result Mr Biswas and his village of 2,000 people will be sealed off from their own country.

“We’ll be fenced out of India,” the 30-year-old farmer complains. “What if there’s an emergency and we have to go to the mainland? What if there’s no one at the gate to let us out? We’ll be completely cut off.”

India is 30 times the size of Bangladesh and the two nations share South Asia’s longest border. But despite India’s help during Bangladesh’s War of Independence in 1971 against what was then West Pakistan, relations between the two countries have deteriorated in recent years.

While the world’s attention has been focused on the Israeli security barrier sealing off the West Bank, India has been building a far longer fence to keep out Islamic militants, thwart cross-border smuggling and stop human trafficking.

More than 1,300 miles of the barrier has been erected in the six years since building began. Snaking through jungles, rivers and the villages of five states, Delhi’s floodlit, 12ft double fence packed with razor wire will render India a fortress against her neighbour.

The problem India faces is that 100,000 of its citizens live and farm on a 150-yard patch of land hugging the international border known officially as “the zero line”, and they live on the wrong side of the fence’s designated path.

Entire villages, including schools, temples and mosques lie in what will effectively become no man’s land. Although Bangladeshis and Indians along the border have lived cheek by jowl for decades, and share the Bengali language and culture, relations between them are strained by suspicion.

The Indian villagers fear that once the fence is built they will be harassed by Bangladesh’s security guards. They say that locked away from Indian guards their fields and homes could be looted with impunity by Bangladeshi farmers.

Rabreya Bachhri, who lives in Jayantipur, the same village as Mr Biswas, says: “Even now the Bangladeshis cross over at night from their side and steal our cooking utensils and cows. We’re very worried about our future. India has to look after us and keep us inside the fence or it will make us Bangladeshi.”

Sandwiched between two nations, the villagers say that they get a raw deal from both countries. The Indian and Bangladeshi security forces accuse them of colluding in smuggling and illegal immigration.

Officers from India’s Border Security Force say that Bangladeshis claim they are entering India for medical treatment but do not have the required travel documents. One senior officer said: “Even those who come with documents don’t go back. The number of people coming into India is less than the number returning.”

Officials say that the fence has already stemmed the flow of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants attempting to cross into India from about 65,000 annually a decade ago to just 10,000 this year.

Shivajee Singh, a border security force inspector-general, said: “When the fence was put up the numbers came down.”

But Delhi is increasingly concerned about infiltration by militants from a country with a large, poor Muslim population that was scooped from India by partition. It accuses Bangladesh of harbouring insurgent groups fighting for accession from India from its northeastern states of Assam, Tripura and Manipur.

There are also concerns about the rise of radical Islam after the spate of bombs and violence in Bangladesh. “Militancy is a new dimension,” Mr Singh said. “Earlier people came for employment. Now we’re getting reports that they’re coming for terrorist activities.”

India has consequently accelerated the barrier’s construction, hoping to complete it by spring next year. It will also increase the number of troops along its border with Bangladesh from 45,000 to 53,000. In a move to bring villagers such as Mr Biswas inside the barrier, India has asked Dhaka to permit it to build the fence within the zero line, an area that both countries promised to keep free from defence structures in an agreement made 30 years ago.

Delhi claims that its request has so far been refused. However, a senior official of the Bangladeshi Embassy in Delhi said that talks between the two nations were continuing. “We’re always open to discussion with friends and neighbours,” he said. “But the agreement can’t just be changed by wishful thinking.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bangladesh; border; borderwall; goodfence; illegals; immigrants; india; islam; moat; muslim; wall
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1 posted on 12/28/2005 6:33:46 AM PST by CarrotAndStick
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To: CarrotAndStick

Walls anyone?


2 posted on 12/28/2005 6:37:43 AM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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Bangladesh is the next Islamic mess, and India seems to be taking belated steps to counter it.

'We are worried about violence in Bangladesh'

Increasing infiltration across the border. Terrorists sneaking into India. Regular skirmishes with men in uniform on the other side.

This is not Pakistan we are talking about. In recent times, another neighbour has swiftly emerged as a major security concern for India.

Rediff India Abroad Deputy Managing Editor Ramananda Sengupta visited Bangladesh recently looking for answers to the big question: Why is such trouble brewing on India's Eastern Front?

The concluding part of the series.

Part 1: The new terror frontier?

Part 2: The rise of the Right

Part 3: Why Bangladesh hates India

Part 4: Why India is concerned about Bangladesh

First part of the interview with High Commissioner Veena Sikri: 'Delhi-Dhaka dialogue a must'

Indian High Commissioner to Bangladesh Veena Sikri says border fencing is not an issue between New Delhi and Dhaka.

The security issues posed by illegal migration and the presence of anti-Indian insurgent outfits in Bangladesh are serious concerns, she says, but "the only problem here is of Bangladesh recognising the problem."  

One of India's major concerns is illegal migration.

The other issues of great importance to the Indian government are the security issues.

There are insurgents groups which use Bangladeshi territory for all kinds of activities which are against India's interests.

We have given lists to the Bangladeshi government of various such outfits. The only problem here is of Bangladesh recognising the problem.

We need extensive dialogue to promote mechanisms to contain terrorism. It's a question of looking at issues jointly. Terrorism is an issue which affects every country.

Bangladesh says India gives shelter to criminals wanted in Bangladesh

Trading of accusations vitiates the atmosphere further. There is no question of trading charges.

We are merely describing a problem, and saying let us discuss what we can do about it. It's not a question of blame or fault or something like that.

It's just a very serious problem that exists. And whatever claims we make on this are based on very substantive information.

If, at the same time, there is a problem that the Bangladesh government perceives on our side, we are always willing to look at it.

Give us the information, and of course we will look at it. But the answer in these circumstances cannot be that 'Oh, this is our problem, not yours.'

Is the Indian fencing of the border a sensitive issue here?

I don't think it is a sensitive issue. Fencing is being done entirely on Indian territory. Some years ago, there were some very informal, unsigned guidelines drawn up.

I am talking about 1975, which says that -- this was done at a time when soon after 1971, there were defensive structures like trenches, pillboxes etc, which had been built. The guidelines were in fact aimed at removing defensive structures like these if they were within 150 yards of the border.

Since then, of course, nobody felt the need to put up offensive structures, and neither side has done that. But because of the security problem -- not just migration, but even criminalisation of many of these border areas -- a lot of it has to do with smuggling.

That is another reason why are so keen to put bilateral relations on an even keel, because once you have a bilateral FTA, there will be no incentive for smuggling at all. And the criminalisation of the border, which includes not just smuggling goods but also people and children, would substantially come down.

And with a view to curbing this we have started building a fence. The bulk of the fence is 150 yards away from the international border. The Bangladeshi government has absolutely no problem with this.

Out of a land border of over 4,000 km, over 90 per cent of the fencing is at 150 yards or more from the border. But in about 7 per cent of the border, which is about 300 km or something like that, we had to move within the 150 yards, but certainly on our side of the border, primarily because of the existence of very heavily populated villages within those 150 yards. And the people in those villages don't want to be left outside.

In fact in some areas, where we built the fence 150 yards away, some villages have already been left out, and this really creates problems for them. Because there's a gate and they can only come in when the gates are opened and must leave before they are closed, and so on.

So to overcome these problems which our own citizens are facing, in those roughly 300 km, we would need to go within 150 yards, and we have already conveyed to the Bangladeshi side which areas these are. I don't see any problem as such, and I don't see again why this needs to be politicised.

Yet some reports say that recent instances of firing along the border by the BDR (Bangladesh Rifles) are meant to stall the fencing work.

I don't think the firing is specifically related to the fencing.

Outside the 150 yards, the Bangladeshi government has actually told us they have no problems at all. And as for these 300 odd km, these are heavily populated areas.

But frankly, if a fence at a 150 yards is no problem for Bangladesh, how does a fence at a 149 yards or 110 yards become a problem?

What about the issue of enclaves?

Well, there was a 1974 Indira-Mujib accord, and that in fact completely demarcated the border.

Only 6.5 km of over 4,000 km is yet to be demarcated. We also spoke about the exchange of enclaves in either side's possession.

It's a very interesting background. They were pieces of land exchanged by the then rulers on each side.

Under the Indira-Mujib accord, the idea was to exchange them. A joint boundary working group was set up, which was meant to discuss the matter and come up with a solution for it. The last meeting was held some years ago, and India has actually developed a composite package proposal giving an actual demarcation of the 6.5 km, and on the enclaves and adverse positions.

We are waiting for a reply to that. The joint boundary working group hasn't since met.

So what could be reason for the Bangladeshi opposition to this proposal?

I don't know. We ourselves are a bit surprised that we haven't received an answer from Bangladesh for so long.

Bangladesh has ratified the Indira-Mujib accord, they say India has not done so. The thing is, our system of ratification involves a constitutional amendment, and for that you have to have the entire border demarcated and notified, before you can actually get the amendment done. So we have to await the finalisation of the demarcation of the 6.5 km before we can even start the process of ratification.

On the Bangladesh side, they don't have such a difficult legal process for ratifying. So they have ratified. But even in their case, it cannot come into force until the entire border is demarcated. Again, it's the same process of notification.

You can ratify, but you cannot actually bring it into force until you notify it, and for that you need the entire boundary to be completely demarcated, and that 6.5 km is still left over.

So it is de facto the same position on both sides.

What was the atmosphere at the bilateral held between Prime Ministers Manmohan Singh and Khaleda Zia at the sidelines of the SAARC summit?

Very very positive and constructive. Our prime minister has expressed his appreciation of this meeting with Bangladesh prime minister.

So, was Khaleda Zia invited to India?

Of course. In fact, when our foreign minister came here in August, he called on the prime minister of Bangladesh and handed over a letter of invitation from our prime minister.

During the bilateral meeting, our prime minister again reiterated the invitation.

But she has not made a bilateral visit since taking over as prime minister in 2001.

That is her choice, that is the choice of the government of Bangladesh.

We would be very happy to have her visit India.

We encourage frequent visits from our neighbouring leaders. Because that develops friendship and informality. And of course, when the leader of the Opposition visits, it's a constitutional position, and we have protocol for that. Take for example Sri Lanka, we recently had the President, followed by the leader of the Opposition (visit India).

It's normal, it's natural, it's not indicative of any problem or any lack of problem.

Frequent visits by leaders are always welcome. This helps in not only resolving issues, but also preventing politicisation, preventing misunderstandings, helping the correct perspective to emerge.

So you think the SAARC summit went off well?

Yes. The SAARC summit has come up with good, positive, forward looking ideas, focused on implementation.

I believe we have to move towards implementation. Now, of course, we are very much hoping that SAFTA will become operational by January 1, 2006. And as a mechanism to help the implementation to SAFTA, SAARC has signed three agreements, the establishment of the SAARC arbitration council, the Customs Treaty and an agreement on Avoidance of Double Taxation and Mutual Administrative Assistance in Tax Matters.

These will be very helpful when SAFTA comes into force. It's good that such advance agreements have been signed. Coming into force of SAFTA would certainly be a very important step forward. And people are actually looking forward to it.

For instance during the bilateral talks, the Bangladeshi side said the they were waiting for SAFTA to come into force.

Just before the prime minister left, he spoke of the element of mistrust which remained in relations with Pakistan. Is that also true of relations with Bangladesh?

I think whenever our leaders meet, the personal equations are important. So the need is for more frequent dialogues at all levels. So that the issues are not politicised. Sometimes the lack of dialogue helps politicise issues.

By expressing concern over things like fundamentalism in Bangladesh, can we be accused of interfering in Bangladesh's internal affairs?

Certainly we are worried about the increasing incidents of violence here. The worry is that being neighbouring countries, you cannot but help a spillover.

We are not talking from some great distance, or theoretically, very realistically, among neighbours, this is what happens. So it's a natural expression of concern.

In the country briefing issued to Indian journalists on Bangladesh, it says there has been an increasing demand for Sharia law.

Of course. Leaflets found after the recent blasts all have that demand. That doesn't mean that these demands are being met, or will be met.

After the August blasts, the concern of the people of Bangladesh has been expressed the loudest and the most clearly. See the media reactions, see the condemnation of the issue. The concern is very much there. And their (the people's) concern is paramount.

What would you rate as your biggest achievement during your tenure here?

I have tried very hard to restart the dialogue between our government and their people, and I want to do much more. I would like to have more, because while we are discussing some issues, on others we are yet to start a real dialogue.

I think building people to people relations, speaking to each other, understanding each other, is a very very important part of my work.

The more you get to know each other, the lesser the chances of misunderstandings. 

3 posted on 12/28/2005 6:39:22 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I can see where this would have a certain amount of applicability in this country.

And India can get the job completed for a mere £600 million? I say we outsource the job of building a fence between Chula Vista, California, and Brownsville, Texas, to these Indian contractors.


4 posted on 12/28/2005 6:40:21 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: CarrotAndStick

Non-Islamic countries are all going to be quarantining their Islamic neighbors.


5 posted on 12/28/2005 6:41:23 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: CarrotAndStick

I thought that's what the Himalayas were for?.......


6 posted on 12/28/2005 6:42:30 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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No Himalayan wall around Bangladesh.

7 posted on 12/28/2005 6:51:30 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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I thought Bangladesh was India's Mini-Me...........
8 posted on 12/28/2005 6:55:52 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: Red Badger

Not so with an overwhelming Muslim majority.


9 posted on 12/28/2005 7:02:32 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Red Badger

More like Pakistan's Mini-Me, it's primarily Muslim.


10 posted on 12/28/2005 7:04:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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Officially BD is 88% muslim, and the mohammedans have been persecuting Hindus, animists and Christians (especially) in the last few years. It used to be a country you could pretty much get along in.

The educated Bangla people don't hate us, they educate their children in the USA and are easy to get along with. The masses, however, hold us responsible for all their problems, including the global warming that is sinking their already waterlogged country. Hating Americans is a growing trend in BD.

It is no longer safe for an American to walk in downtown Dhaka and many other places. If the beggars don't pull you apart, the drug addicts will rob you and the muslim radicals will cut you to pieces.

BD is not the country it used to be. I don't blame India for wanting to keep the economic refugees out, much less the terrrorists who are growing in that country.

BD is a good example of what happens when islam becomes the dominant culture.


11 posted on 12/28/2005 7:27:48 AM PST by Amadeo
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To: CarrotAndStick; All; admin

How is this a China issue? Why are you linking every Indian piece to China?

"Rivals China's Great Wall"... uh, that wasn't the point of the piece, that was your own personal stupid opinion.


12 posted on 12/28/2005 8:02:40 AM PST by pganini
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To: CarrotAndStick
Good move by India.
13 posted on 12/28/2005 8:09:32 AM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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its much smaller Muslim neighbour

Hah! Pakistan is only relatively smaller. It is a large country in its own right. It is good to see Roman walls going up everywhere. Humans have a genetic disposition to migrate, and that is incompatible with the modern state and the corporate world.

14 posted on 12/28/2005 8:13:14 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: pganini
How is this a China issue? Why are you linking every Indian piece to China?

"Rivals China's Great Wall"... uh, that wasn't the point of the piece, that was your own personal stupid opinion.

Keywords can be added by ANY registered user AFTER the article is posted.

15 posted on 12/28/2005 8:50:49 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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SOMETHING there is that doesn’t love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun;
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:         5
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,         10
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbour know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.         15
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
“Stay where you are until our backs are turned!”
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.         20
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across         25
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, “Good fences make good neighbours.”
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
“Why do they make good neighbours? Isn’t it         30
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I’d ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn’t love a wall,         35
That wants it down.” I could say “Elves” to him,
But it’s not elves exactly, and I’d rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.         40
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father’s saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, “Good fences make good neighbours.”
        45
 
Robert Frost (1874–1963). North of Boston. 1915.

16 posted on 12/28/2005 8:55:36 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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That's a nice poem! We had it in school, in India.


17 posted on 12/28/2005 8:58:02 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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One of the two of Frost's I actually enjoy. I've searched a good time for others, with no success. The other is Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening.
18 posted on 12/28/2005 9:07:58 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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At the bottom of this page, you'll find a list of his poems.

http://www.americanpoems.com/poets/robertfrost/


19 posted on 12/28/2005 9:10:32 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I was afraid some would misunderstand. I have two complete Frost anthologies less than ten feet away, but thanks.


20 posted on 12/28/2005 9:14:46 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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