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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
What of out ability to display our faith in public places or discusss or faith in the public arena such as schools. All controled by man.

It is ultimately controlled by you and/or obedience to your God, not others - - if you are really a “believer” as you say. In the Bible, Yeshua said you cannot serve two masters and that the power given to torture and execute him were not of this earth.

I do display my faith whereever. I don't need to have a daily prayer in school or a nativity scene on the statehouse to display my faith. I speak of my faith daily. But so many like you tell of the stealing of the rights to display faith. I don't need the government to grant that. So if you extrapolate that, then yes, we are probably closer to the Creator given rights than you would ever believe. But so many like you believe the government has infringed on those rights. Thus my thesis that those rights were given by the government and thus can and are often taken away.

The founder has not interceded.

That is what the crucifixion of Yeshua is and the Holy Spirit is all about - - divine intercession.

Look, if you want to argue Christian Biblical doctrine, you had better read it first, because you obviously haven't the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.

Actually, the word in the first sentence should have been Creator instead of founder which you correctly recognized.

Yes it is divine intercession. But it does not always apply to our life and time on earth. Otherwise, why would the slaves be held in bondage? Some, clearly were treated well, most others were not. Why then did the Creator, at least in the short term, fail to provide corrective intercession? Because they were protected under the divine intercession. But that intercession is not always about this life, because the monarchs can and do ebb and flow with the Creators intentions.

What of those who currently live under repressive regimes who from womb to tomb will only live under repression at best? Where is their intercession? As we are endowed with certain rights by our Creator, then so to are they.

You cannot believe all men are equal if you also believe our rights are subject to an earthly monarch. Illogical.

Our equality allows us to hear and if we choose heed the word. Our equality begins with our souls being clean and untarnished. From there it is up to us as to whether to keep those souls clean.

778 posted on 12/31/2005 7:14:34 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
I don't need the government to grant that.

So, rights to do such do not come from an earthly ruler, as I have said...

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But it does not always apply to our life and time on earth.

Not according to the Christian Bible. It applies from birth unto death - - and beyond death, if you believe it.

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Otherwise, why would the slaves be held in bondage?

They disobey God and do not ask to be forgiven, as all have sinned.

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What of those who currently live under repressive regimes who from womb to tomb will only live under repression at best? Where is their intercession?

You, as a “believer,” should know that Christians call it Salvation.

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I don't need to have a daily prayer in school or a nativity scene on the statehouse to display my faith.

I do not either, I'm an atheist.

I also do not mind that you might want to, and recognize you have every right under our system based on Mosaic Law. The Ten Commandments are prominently displayed at the United States Supreme Court and the premise of Mosaic Law is written in the Declaration of Independence for that very reason.

The founders of the country recognized the primary importance of it as their establishing statement... they were wise beyond their times and understood the legacy of human history from what was done by Moses...

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…"

You can quibble about it and split hairs all you like. Every king of this earth has been and will be deposed, none are immortal.

779 posted on 12/31/2005 10:10:45 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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