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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
So you may claim...

My claim is between me and God. Your judgement is neither biblical nor warranted. Ultimately, I will answer or will be accepted as having served him well. My belief is he will be disappointed in some of my life and will be delighted by other aspects. My overall judgement from the ultimate judge will be for a job well done.

No, not according to Biblical doctrine or the United States Constitution, which is what we are discussing here.

Clearly man does control those freedoms. Simply ask those who were held in bondage at the dawning of our country. Ask those who have been improperly executed (I know it's been few, but it has happened) or improperly detained. Even though I may agree with some aspects of it, think of what we know about the Patriot Law and what (through the NY Times expose) don't. What of out ability to display our faith in public places or discusss or faith in the public arena such as schools. All controled by man. The founder has not interceded. When was the last time the Red Sea parted or there was a great flood that destroyed all. Some may point to New Orleans. That flood will only give way to urban renovation to further moral decay.

Clearly I can take the heat when it comes to your judgement.

Again for every right granted to Moses, those can be controlled and given or taken at the whim of the ruler at any time.

774 posted on 12/30/2005 12:11:11 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
What of out ability to display our faith in public places or discusss or faith in the public arena such as schools. All controled by man.

It is ultimately controlled by you and/or obedience to your God, not others - - if you are really a “believer” as you say. In the Bible, Yeshua said you cannot serve two masters and that the power given to torture and execute him were not of this earth.

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The founder has not interceded.

That is what the crucifixion of Yeshua is and the Holy Spirit is all about - - divine intercession.

Look, if you want to argue Christian Biblical doctrine, you had better read it first, because you obviously haven't the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.

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Again for every right granted to Moses, those can be controlled and given or taken at the whim of the ruler at any time.

Again, you are wrong. Moses was not granted anything, he was commanded, and he obeyed. The power was not his to give, but his to receive, as it was for the Jews in captivity.

(Later, some of them chose to worship the Golden Calf and many were destroyed. This is why we still have “liberal” Jews today - - many still worship a Golden Calf.)

Moses escaped the slaughter of all Hebrew first born ordered by Pharaoh and was set adrift to be taken into the royal household.

Passover, the killing of the Egyptian first born was not subject to the rule of Pharaoh, nor was it carried out by Moses. It was an angel sent by God to punish Pharaoh.

You cannot believe all men are equal if you also believe our rights are subject to an earthly monarch. Illogical.

You cannot believe all men are a creation of God if you also believe our rights are subject to an earthly ruler. Illogical.

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My overall judgement from the ultimate judge will be for a job well done.

You make the conceited assumption you have the power to save yourself. Keep digging... Gehenna is down there somewhere...

777 posted on 12/31/2005 4:35:20 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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