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Smoking in the Background - The Bush administration sits on some telling documents (Saddam's Iraq).
NRO ^ | December 21, 2005 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 12/22/2005 10:01:53 PM PST by neverdem

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To: piasa
Because that which involved Iraq is intertwined with ongoing investigations into a global proliferation network whose reach we have not yet determined,

Then what actions do we have at our disposal should the investigations lead directly to a peculiar country that's pushing global proliferation? We know Russia is supplying missiles, Germany and France are in on helping Iran to build their nuclear facilities. Then what? Bush has a news conference and 'out's' those countries with evidence to what is already known? The world doesn't care. They are too consumed by self preservation and the almighty dollar to say boo to a ghost.

It appears that the US is only one of a limited few countries on the planet that has the balls to put it's neck on the line to try to prevent a nuclear armageddon.

By releasing info we have on Iraq we could inadvertantly tell others what we know about their activities, giving them time to prepare.

Time to prepare for what? They already know we know. That hasn't slowed down from anything that I can tell. If I remember correctly, Russia has sold China about four of those cruise missiles.

61 posted on 12/23/2005 7:43:55 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: neverdem

BTTT
Good article. This intelligence should be broken wide open for the "blind" to see. I dont know why the President is being so delicate about it. The time is overdue to open up with both barrels.


62 posted on 12/23/2005 7:50:01 AM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

self ping


63 posted on 12/23/2005 7:51:48 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Lancer_N3502A
Imagine what would happen if we exposed France, Germany and Russia as having helped Iraq develop a whole new line of WMDs while Clinton stood by and did nothing. Alot of alliances would crumble.

Nothing. It hasn't thus far. We know those countries supplied Iraq with WMD's. And what would the paperwork prove, that we were right all along? There doesn't seem to be a stigma any longer to supplying rogue nations with the means to kill hundreds of thousands of people at once.

but we're gonna need the EU AND Russia in the coming war with China.

You have that backwards, they're going to need us. They are supplying their enemy with the means with which to destroy them. And that folly will come back and bite them on their ass.

64 posted on 12/23/2005 7:53:17 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Grampa Dave
Russia, China, France, Germany all assisted Saddam's regime in 2003 when we mobilized against Iraq. There was an *intel* site during the run on Baghdad run by those using the initials GPU. They claimed to be broadcasting the locations of US/Coalition troops. They were shown to be off by large distances. They nearly admitted to being a hoax by the end of the major operations and they disappeared from the Internet, AFAIK.

They were defending their market for their war materiel. At one point, the Russian military was gloating that this war was making them a fortune in sales of armament. IIRC, China was supposedly supplying the Iraqis with sat intel and there was talk of Chinese *sat killers* that would disable US satellite communication. At the height of the battle in Baghdad, there were EU rumors of French paratroops wearing blue helmets organizing a drop into the center of Baghdad to take on the Coalition. I recall Mansur Ijaz reporting this from Europe.

Some of this was true, since we know French, German and Russian weapons and manuals were found and are still being found. Much was hype aimed at destroying our confidence and instilling fear and trepidation.

We won anyway.

Russia will sign all sorts of accords, as will the French and Chinese. Were I Syria or Iran, I would put very little trust in them honoring any agreement. In paying for weapons from these countries, I would remember that they have ultimately been beaten by our weapons every time they were used. I think their failure rankles and they really mourn the loss of their Iraqi market.

But it is nice to have it in print, so that afterward we can use it to beat up the suppliers of the Islamofascists.
65 posted on 12/23/2005 7:54:13 AM PST by reformedliberal (Bless our troops and pray for our nation. I am thankful for both.)
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To: SFC Chromey
My guess, is to limit the US from ever protecting itself "arbitrarily" again. T

That won't happen. If Bush saw an immediate threat to America's safety tomorrow, he would act again just as he did the last time. He won't wait for approval. And who's approval would we need the UN's? They sat idly by while a million people were slaughtered in Rwanda. When hundreds of thousands were massacered in Dalfur(?) It will be a cold day in hell before I would wait for permission from an anti-American organization to decide when we can and cannot decide when this country needs protecting. I can't see Bush going to them to ask for permission no matter how hard I try too.

he UN will say, "Look at the mistakes you made with Iraq, how can we believe what the US is telling us?"

Who cares?

66 posted on 12/23/2005 8:02:45 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Could it be that the CIA won't declassify the information? Bush can't discuss it without the CIA's approval. The CIA has been politically selective in what it exposes during the Bush Administration.


67 posted on 12/23/2005 8:03:36 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Lurker
I want Bashir Assads head on a pike..

I know what you mean.

That little weasel reminds me of Jim Mora, Jr.

68 posted on 12/23/2005 8:07:40 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: pbrown

"He won't wait for approval. And who's approval would we need the UN's?"



I don't think he needs UN approval to do a d@mned thing. However, the globalists would shriek like the banshees that they are.

Oh, and yes Bush did wait about 6 MONTHS to get approval from the UN. We should have struck in Oct 02, instead we didn't get 'authorization to enforce UN sanctions' until Feb 03.


69 posted on 12/23/2005 8:12:45 AM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascism)
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To: Dilbert56
I wonder if the Administration thinks these documents were also forged by Plame & Co., like the Niger documents intended to "poison the well".

This president doesn't have the luxury of doubting intelligence gathering documents. If the idiots who forged those documents were brought up on charges and prosecuted, he could clean out the traitors in this country.

In these dangerous times we live in, hesitation for action could be fatal.

70 posted on 12/23/2005 8:12:49 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: TheForceOfOne
President Bush is playing Texas Hold'em and winning.

Winning today. What will tomorrow bring?

71 posted on 12/23/2005 8:14:30 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: SFC Chromey
the globalists would shriek like the banshees that they are.

Let the b@stards shriek for all the good it will do them.

I believe if Bush had Intel that said another country was preparing to launch on the US, he would give a selected team a few hours to investigate it and if they can back and agreed with the assessment, nothing, nobody or no organization would stand in his way when it comes to protecting us. He knows if he did nothing, he would then be the president of a devastated country.

72 posted on 12/23/2005 8:23:32 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

lol

Oh Ye of Little Faith.


73 posted on 12/23/2005 8:24:24 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: JesseJane
I must've missed this news on the tube....

It certainly wasn't because the lame stream media wasn't looking for dirt to sling at Dubya. Evidently the old media doesn't think the acusations leveled would stand up to even a miniscule amount of scrutiny from those who know and care about the Balkens. Else they would not have hesitated to tear down the President's strong support from voters on the issue of foreign policy. I am certain the Administration has come to a different conclusion than the author of this opinion article.

74 posted on 12/23/2005 8:28:52 AM PST by Once-Ler (The rat 06 election platform will be a promise to impeach the President if they win.)
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To: TheForceOfOne
Oh Ye of Little Faith.

No. With grandchildren who tomorrow belongs too.

75 posted on 12/23/2005 8:28:55 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: King Prout
I assume "strategery" is involved in this nondisclosure

Good assumption.

One has to understand how we are fighting (and winning) the war on Islamofascism. First of all 911 must be seen as very much like Pearl Harbor--a tremendous mistake by the enemy. We were successful in Afganistan, but mainly all we did was bust up the schools and training camps--a good thing. But the terror network was worlldwide and loose.

By going into Iraq we did two things, we brought freedom and democracy into the HEART of Arab/Moslim culture, and we became a target for terrorists there. We wanted the loose terrorists to come to us on Iraqi soil to be killed. So we wanted to attract them by appearing weak as possible. Here's where the Dims played as useful idiots. they helped us appear weak and encouraged the terrorists with the false idea the they could defeat us. Hiding the evidence of WMD and Saddam-Alqaeda links encouraged the Dims.

We wanted to leave Zaquari(sp? free to keep calling to terrorists to go to Iraq. the terrorists thought that the Americans had technology but could not stand up in a fire fight. Boy were they wrong. Our troops, especially Rummy's small-footprint killer elite can shoot well. they have been well trained. And the Islamists can't hit sh*t. They leave their cell phones and laptops with their dead. Our troops turn over the electronic pieces to intelligence. Someday soon, when the Iraq borders are closed, etc. Bush will tell all.

76 posted on 12/23/2005 8:29:43 AM PST by Poincare
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To: cookcounty
They would require a smoking A-bomb, or maybe two, in case the first was just a fluke.

Sadly, I'm beginning to believe it will take another 9/11 for the MSM and its sheeple to "get it."

77 posted on 12/23/2005 8:31:41 AM PST by daler
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To: pbrown

.....Why would he sit on it and not release it?....

W goes to battle at a "time and place of my choosing"

He has not yet choose a time and place.


78 posted on 12/23/2005 8:32:35 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Slay Pinch)
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To: bert
On that I agree. He won't wait for permission for a world wide consensus. When he determines the time and place are right...he will act.
79 posted on 12/23/2005 8:35:24 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: neverdem
The Bush Administration has enjoyed high levels of support in going into Iraq and getting rid of Saddam. Nothing more was needed to have approval ratings above 60%.

Unfortunately, the Administration wasn't counting on such a vigorous insurgency. The support has dripped away with each GI killed by IEDs. When it became clear to Rove that the public pendulum had swung, the Administration came out swinging. If the troop drawdown proceeds rapidly and the body count drops by June, the incumbant congress critters will generally be re-elected.

Personally, I support the war effort because it is necessary to keep the US in the catbird seat, but there is not one thing about Iraq worth the blood of one of our troops.

80 posted on 12/23/2005 8:36:35 AM PST by AmusedBystander
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