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"How the taxes are collected is a side-show which could be argured until the cows return. Center-Ring is spending."

I think we disagree on this one. As Ancient Geezer has posted on many occasions, as long as most Americans don't perceive the tax burden that they are under, chances for getting real reductions in spending and taxation levels are remote.

By making the taxes that we all pay more visible, the FairTax will serve to exert downward pressure. Some consider it a weakness of the FairTax that there will be "sticker shock" when Americans see their tax burden for the first time. Supporters of the FairTax consider that a benefit.

Some consider it a weakness of the FairTax that there will be "sticker shock" when Americans see their tax burden for the first time. Supporters of the FairTax consider that a benefit.
When did Fairtax supporters switch from price reductions and paycheck increases to "sticker shock" prices being a benefit?

I think we disagree on this one....

At least we agree on something finally....that we disagree. I was beginning to think we'd never agree on anything...smile.
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Some consider it a weakness of the FairTax that there will be "sticker shock" when Americans see their tax burden for the first time. Supporters of the FairTax consider that a benefit.

Sticker Shock??? Are you kidding. I think everyone knows that taxes are too high. Tell me...do you know anyone personally who truly believes that taxes are too low? I highly doubt it. That's why Republicans have held on to the House, Senate and now the Presidency for so long. The problem is, they didn't control SPENDING like we thought they would. Now the "not a dimes worth of difference" people have a spending history to point at in spite of the fact that they've held the line on tax rates and have done many other good things.

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I can't join you in your all out quest for the so called "Fair Tax." I just don't believe it's the panacea that you think it is. Figures lie and liars figure, I've always heard.

I can be and often am proven wrong, but this one just doesn't pass my smell test. I believe it to be spinning wheels and wasting valuable rubber on something that won't make one bit of difference in the long run. Just MHO.