[Former Military Chick]

Perhaps something worthy of contacting the Senators office about??

[VRWCmember]

His provision defines cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment as anything prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth or 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

Brilliant. So we leave it as broad as liberal panty-waste courts can interpret it. I think various courts have found depriving sex offenders of their Playboy subscription is a violation of one or more of these amendments.

[Freedom_Fighter_2001]

I always thought it strange that McCain got together with J Fn Kerry to give the People's Paradise of Vietnam a big wet sloppy kiss. Super Stockholm syndrome for McCain? (typical Kerry treason)

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

After McCain was turned by the communists, he joined the Republican Party, if he had joined the Democrats he would just be another democrat.

[GOPJ]

There's different types of torture. One type of torture is where millions people of people and their children and families are exposed to radiation, glass in windows that moves with the speed of bullets, and fires hot enough to melt steel. The other type is where a person thinks they're drowning, but they're not... If it's the ticking time bomb, and it's a million being tortured or one being tortured, it's got to be the one.

That said, this should never be done by sergeants on the night shift - or random CIA agents. Top generals need to be present and it's got to be rare beyond words.

[VeniVidiVici]

“I wasn’t really as courageous as Sam Johnson,” McCain, who was awarded many of the same medals, told The Dallas Morning News for a 2003 profile of Johnson. “I mean that. He suffered a lot more than I did.”

And why is that, John?

[layman]

anything prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth or 14th Amendment

Nothing like opening up a can of worms. The potential ramifications of this definition (ie; Due Process, Self Incrimination, Equal Protection) are mind boggling and typical of the fuzzy thinking of John McCain.

[TChris]

Yeah, he can talk about supposed torture... But did he have to stand naked in front of a girl and wear a dog collar?

[<1/1,000,000th%]

His provision defines cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment as anything prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth or 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

Maybe McCain can add another provision applying these Amendments to us.

[Gritty]

House critics of McCain appear unwilling to challenge the former prisoner of war on torture even with cover from Johnson

Gutless cowards. This is no different than "Campaign Finance Reform".

As the story points out, McCain suffered a lot less than many of the POWs, including Johnson. Yet he is the one everyone fawns over for his heroism as a POW. Everyone, including himself, has made McCain into an untouchable icon on certain matters. That is not only bad policy, but can lead to disasterous results, as we have seen in campaign finance reform.

[HawaiianGecko]

 

I personally don't buy into the argument that torture doesn't work. If it didn't, thousands of years of torture wouldn't have happened. I don't believe that humans changed in the last 30 years and became torture proof.

I can believe that highly trained special ops soldiers can be trained to not spill the beans when tortured, but surely 99% of the population of the planet would tell all in fairly short order.

The ex-CIA types running around on news-talk shows saying that torture doesn't work are simply citing a cover story that makes people believe that they don't torture prisoners. It seems clear to me that the most effective way to convince people that you don't use these techniques is to claim they don't work. It's not like we peasants can actually test this theory out.

 

[HawaiianGecko]

 

A corollary to this article since it mentions both Sam Johnson and Murtha is this: Why do I keep hearing people saying how this highly decorated Marine Murtha believes we should cut and run, therefore, it must be true. Yet, I don't see or hear anyone mentioning that a 'more highly' decorated soldier, Sam Johnson, thinks Murtha's idea is BS.

Does one have to be a lesser decorated military man to be correct?

 

[Infantry Grunt 1968-69]

McCain admitted that he folded under the interrogation techniques used by the North Vietnamese.
One of his flight school colleagues said he crashed every plane he ever tried to fly.

[kellynla]

I agree with Sam Johnson.

You have to leave everything on the table.

We are dealing with war criminals not uniformed military combatants and as such they are not entitled to the same protections and/or rights.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

[q_an_a]

I've been wondering where Sam Johnson and a couple of other Viet Vets have been during the debate ont eh war/ These guys could show up at a Murtha news event and debate his vision versus the vision of other vets, but the republicans leave them out of the story. WHY???

[hgro]

Thank Almighty God that John McPain has someone in Congress that knows his character.

McPain was a daddy's boy who should never have been allowed to fly jets. He abandoned a crippled wife, got him self involved the the "Keating Five" which by the way the MSM chooses to ignore.

McPain's only driving force is to be nominated as the Republican candidate for President. He is a loser.

[ZULU]

"Despite 90 votes supporting the McCain amendment in the Senate, the administration has threatened to veto either bill if it contains the amendment’s language. White House officials, most notably Vice President Cheney, have long sought to thwart McCain’s effort. "

Another example of the kind of gutless wonders we have representing us in Congress.

The Administration is right - dead right - on this one.

Once again, John McCain has demonmstrated what kind of media-prostitute he is. If the leftist mass media in the U.S. support something, John McCain will grovel in the dirt to them and do everything possible to please his media masters.

[BikerNYC]

The McCain amendment would limit American interrogators to techniques prescribed by the Army Field Manual and prohibit “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” of prisoners in U.S. custody, regardless of nationality or physical location.

Wait. Am I missing something? The amendment would prohibit interrogators from doing something that the Army Field Manual already prohibits the Army from doing?

[dennisw]

I like water boarding. This is a from of torture lite. It leaves no permanent damage or broken bones. Real torture is when you rape, cripple, extract teeth. pull out nails, shoot out kneecaps and elbows, electro shock to genitals, traumatize for life

Water boarding, what it is:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1356870

Also the Mexican technique of shooting Seven Up or Pepsi up the nose of the criminal. That gets them talking

[John Lenin]

“I wasn’t really as courageous as Sam Johnson,” McCain, who was awarded many of the same medals, told The Dallas Morning News for a 2003 profile of Johnson. “I mean that. He suffered a lot more than I did.”

No doubt in my mind that McCain sang like a canary to his Viet Nam buddies.