Iranians Rally Against Israel, U.S.

Wonder if I can get it wholesale ?

Somehow I think that in this case, being "muslim" is a mere stalking horse for this type of thinking.

And given the spectrum of political groups and individuals that call for death to Israel/Jews, from Nazis and skinheads to ultra leftists to Louis Farakhans, neither would I say this desire to cause the violent death to Jews stems from "conservatism".

I was thinking of conservative in the standard definition of it (i.e. "favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change"). Ahmadinejad is such a traditionalist he wants a return to the 7th century. In the western sense, being conservative is usually a wonderful thing. However, in the upside-downside, inside-out world of Islam, it seems to imply a return to the evil ways and traditions of the Prophet.

This is an interesting discussion because "traditionally", Persians have been rather tolerant and accepting of Jews, dating back to at least Darius the Great.

It was the Iranians who kept the oil flowing to Israel during the various Arab-Israeli wars, and Iranian-Israeli military-military ties going back to the Shah's regime had in the past provided a conduit for "understanding" and assistance between Israel and Iran. When it came to "Palestine", the Persians (who enjoy an overwhelming superiority complex to Arabs) had no dog in the fight among various Arabist grievances about territorial claims. And then if course, Iran was isolated by its war with Iraq and by proxy Iraq's Arab allies (excluding Syria) in the 1980's.

One could argue that Iranian (not Shia) "conservatism" would be a return to the tolerance of its Persian heritage (which it seems both the common Iranian folk and true intellectual classes find more and more of a pipe dream), not a continued lurch toward pretensive leadership of the "Islamic struggle" by the radical revolutionary guard.

Gee, ya think the MSM "analysts" ever lay awake and think about this "ultra conservative" stuff? Nah. Too busy morally equivocating Ayatollah Khomeini, David Koresh, and Jerry Falwell.

Bush, Sharon burned in effigy, US flag kicked by children at rally in Tehran in front of Iran's President

I'm not even going to comment on this one.

The World Quds Day demonstrators on Friday set on fire the effigies of the US President George W. Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as well as the US and Israeli flags.

The demonstrators, from various walks of life, set ablaze more than 30 effigies of Bush and Sharon as symbols of arrogant powers, chanting such slogans as `death to America' and `death to Israel' to express their support for the Palestinian Intifada.

Children form the capital city of Tehran kicked the US flags and issued a statement to the United Nations calling for liberalization of Quds.

Thousands have reportedly taken part in the rallies on the World Quds Day which marks the last Friday of the holy fasting month of Ramadhan, initiated by Founder of Iran's Islamic Republic the late Imam Khomeini.

Iran's President continues on his rampage

This guy just doesn't know when to quit. I'm sorry but there is something just wrong about the President of a nation chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America".

Can you imagine the outrage if a US leader did something like this? (If not, just remember the reaction to Tancredo's remarks!)

Imagine for a moment the reaction in the world media if an Iranian flag, or any other flag for that matter, was burned at a rally in Washington or even Tel Aviv.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday strongly slammed the ambitious policies of the Zionist regime and arrogant powers.

"They are free to say but their words lack any credit. They are rude, falsely thinking that whole the world should be subordinate to them," Ahmadinejad made the remark in an interview with IRNA on the sidelines of the World Qods Day rallies in Tehran in response to western media and officials reaction to his recent statements.

Turning to the Zionists' suppressive policies, Ahmadinejad stressed, "The oppressed Palestinians are martyred by Zionists, their properties are looted, their houses are bombarded and they are assassinated but the Zionists expect that no one should object them." "My word is the same as that of Iranian nation," he noted when asked whether he had any message to the world people and that what would be the impact of Iranian nation's turnout in the rallies on Palestinians' Intifada.

Earlier Friday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took part in the World Qods Day rallies underway on Tehran streets.

The president joined the huge crowd of Tehrani demonstrators to voice his support for the Palestinian cause.

He joined the chorus of demonstrators chanting slogans in condemnation of the ambitious policies of the world hegemonic powers and Zionism

Another report on IRNA continues in the same vein. Nothing like getting a lot of grumpy, fasting people all agitated, chanting "Death to America" and "Death to Isreal".

Qods Day rallies started in Tehran on Friday attended by thousands of fasting people from different walks of life.

The Qods Day rallies, marking the last Friday of the holy fasting month of Ramadhan, were initiated by the late Founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran Imam Khomeini to voice the protest of the Islamic Ummah against Zionists.

Protesters in Tehran are crowding the streets leading to Tehran University campus where the Friday Prayers ceremony will be conducted by Expediency Chairman Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani later on.

The fasting people taking part in the rally are chanting such slogans as "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" to express their hatred of the world hegemonic powers as well as the Zionist regime.

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Russia: Iranian Embassy Statement Attempts to Mitigate President's Remarks on Israel

Yesterday, we brought you the following report from Moscow, calling on Iran to basically chill on the calls for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Iran should realize the risks of propagandist rhetoric and confrontational approaches to the situation in the Middle East, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Thursday.

"We hope that Teheran realizes the danger of confrontational approaches and will demonstrated political foresight and pragmatism," the ministry said in a release in relation to Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad statement at a conference entitled A World Without Zionism.

(Description of Source: Moscow Interfax -- Nonofficial information agency known for its extensive and detailed reporting on domestic and international issues)

Today, we have a report from Russia that indicates that Iran is doing just that.

Moscow, 28 October: Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad did not want to make harsh statements about Israel, says a statement by the Iranian embassy to Russia circulated on Friday (28 October).

"Mr Ahmadinezhad had no intention of making harsh statements and causing a conflict," the document says.

(Passage omitted: Ahmadinezhad's remarks, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov's reaction)

"It is absolutely clear that the remarks made by the president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mr Ahmadinezhad, reflected the principled position of Iran based on the premise that free elections should be held on the occupied territories. The Iranian government's position as regards Palestine is to create a single authority on these territories," the Iranian embassy in Moscow explained.

The statement says that Ahmadinezhad "sees the roots of the crisis in injustice and a double-standard approach". "Iran presented its plan for the settlement of the Palestinian problem a long time ago based on the return of the Palestinian refugees and the holding of free elections. In this connection, naturally, the Islamic Republic of Iran does not believe that, as a result of the elections among Jews, Muslims and Christians on that soil, a regime based on one particular race will be possible," the document says.

According to the embassy, "Zionist circles have provoked a new crisis in public opinion" in the wake of Iran "successfully proving in the world arena its right to peaceful use of nuclear energy".

"We support democracy in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries, and believe that the West's double-standard approach to the Middle East problems is yet another reason that there is no peace in this region," says the statement of the Iranian embassy.

(Description of Source: Moscow RIA-Novosti in Russian -- Government information agency, part of the state media holding company; located at www.rian.ru)

Wonder if the newly launched Iranian satellite will start working now. (See related article below.)

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Oops. Looks like that Iranian satellite isn't working

One of the two satellites the Russians launched for Iran yesterday isn't working.

What a shame.

Russia: No Signals Being received From Mozhayets-5 Satellite

MOSCOW, October 28 (Itar-Tass) - A contingency situation has occurred on the Russian satellite Mozhayets-5 that was launched from the Plesetsk spaceport on Thursday. The satellite has failed to detach from the third stage of the carrier rocket, sources at the northern cosmodrome told Itar-Tass on Friday.

"According to the latest telemetric data, the Mozhayets has not detached from the third stage of the Kosmos-3M carrier rocket and is currently rotating with it on a near-earth orbit," the official said. "No signals are received from the satellite," he added.

Seven foreign satellites were launched together with the Mozhayets. "All of them have been successfully placed in the prescribed orbits and their control transferred to the customers," the spaceport sources said.

"The separation of the satellites from carrier rockets took place on Thursday outside the radio visibility zone of Russian follow-up systems. The first telemetric information from the satellites came to the Earth an hour after launch," the cosmodrome sources specified.

"It is not ruled out that the ground-based services mixed up the signal from the Iranian Sinab-1 with the Mozhayets - the satellites were detaching from the carrier rocket with an interval of several seconds," the official said.

The experimental space research spacecraft Mozhayets-5 was the main payload during the launch. With its help cadets of Russia's oldest military educational establishment - the Mozhaisky Military-Space Academy had planned to master control over spacecraft and learn to analyse the telemetric information transmitted from them in a command-and-measurement complex.

Aside from the Iranian satellite the Kosmos booster placed in orbit satellites of China, Great Britain, the European Space Agency, Germany, Japan and Norway.

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Now Iran says its president did NOT call for Israel to be wiped from the map

Dudes, would you make up your mind?

Yesterday state-run Iranian radio said that he DID say it, but that it was nothing new. The tapes of the meeting show that he said it.

Now Iranian TV says he didn't say it. They translate the statement as:

(Ahmadinezhad in Persian with simultaneous Arabic translation) I have not got the slightest doubt that the new wave in our beloved Palestine and the wave of moral awakening throughout the Islamic world will soon (help) remove this stain (Arabic: wasmah) from the Islamic world.

It sure sounds like he said that "the wave of moral awakening throughout the Islamic world will soon (help) remove this stain (Arabic: wasmah) from the Islamic world".

The Iranian foreign minister, Manuchehr Mottaki, has said that Iran regards the usurper Zionist entity as an illegitimate entity which violates international treaties and that its nuclear arsenal constitutes a source of concern for the world. Mottaki's statements come one day after those made by the Iranian president, Mahmud Ahmadinezhad, in which he said that the world would soon witness the end of the Zionist entity. These statements have attracted strong reactions from the United States and some European countries.

(Unidentified reporter - recording) From this hall, in the heart of the capital Tehran, and before hundreds of schoolchildren who wore green headbands like the Mujahidin, and at a conference entitled "A world without Zionism," President Ahmadinezhad's statements on the Israeli entity triggered a major controversy with the United States, the Europeans, and naturally Tel Aviv.

(Ahmadinezhad in Persian with simultaneous Arabic translation) I have not got the slightest doubt that the new wave in our beloved Palestine and the wave of moral awakening throughout the Islamic world will soon (help) remove this stain (Arabic: wasmah) from the Islamic world.

(Reporter) Ahmadinezhad's statements which, contrary to reports carried by the news agencies, did not contain any call for putting an end to Israel's existence or erasing it from the map; instead they were an analytical reference to the bitter reality facing the Palestinian people who are defending, as he put it, the Islamic nation by proxy. These statements remind us of the famous sentence used by the founder of the Islamic revolution, the late Imam Khomeyni, who said that if every Muslim poured a bucket of water over Israel it would drown.

These statements have caused a stir in the United States and the European countries, some of which have decided to summon the Iranian ambassadors accredited to them to protest officially.

(Iranian foreign minister in Persian with simultaneous Arabic translation) Naturally, if the various countries have any questions or need clarifications about Iran's stand, they will receive answers during these meetings, and we do not regard this as a major issue. Iran's stand towards the Zionist entity and its crimes is clear to everyone.

(Presenter) Washington believes that these statements, which coincided with the international Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day, justify its fears about the Iranian nuclear issue. Since the triumph of the Islamic revolution in Iran, the Palestinian cause has constituted one of the main points of disagreement with the West which lost a strategic ally, for it and for Israel, namely the Shah of Iran. However, it seems that the wide, quick and coordinated reactions by the West to Ahmadinezhad's statements pose more than one question on the way these statements have been exploited as an excuse to apply further pressure on Tehran regarding its nuclear issue, especially as these statements, although fiery, were not out of step, diplomatically, with Iran's usual stand towards the Palestinian cause because Iran regards the Israeli entity as an illegitimate regime since it is based on occupation. However, Iran suggested on several occasions, the last of which through the leader of the Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamene'i, the possibility of solving the Palestinian issue by resorting to the methods used internationally, namely holding a referendum on the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the votes of the majority, even if that majority is Jewish.

(Description of Source: Tehran Al-Alam Television in Arabic -- IRIB's 24-hour Arabic news channel, targetting a pan-Arab audience)

For more translations and news on terrorism, visit http://www.lauramansfield.com

Translations from Laura Mansfield added to thread also.

ISLAM = WHORE OF BABYLON

Let us not forget that we have Jimmy Cahtuh to thank for the fall of the Shah and the establishment in power of Iranian Islamo-fascist nationalism. When I remember all the MSM broadcasts and articles telling us how evil the Shah was and how America supporting the Shah was oppressing the Iranian people....

One could argue that Iranian (not Shia) "conservatism" would be a return to the tolerance of its Persian heritage...

Excellent and well thought-out response. Thanks.

It is a shame that the rich Persian culture has been choked by Islam. But you have to hand it to Islam, it kills like a boa constrictor. A very efficient killer.

And Ahmadinejad...he is going to be trouble.

So basically the guys are just there to get lucky.. Kinda like the "peace" movement here..

Tens of thousands of Iranians staged anti-Israel demonstrations across the country Friday

I see Iran's mullahs adopted China's "rent a crowd" policy.

Thanks to Cal for posting Laura's info on Iran.

She is good.