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The Miers revolution [Offending your supporters has real-world consequences]
National Post ^ | Oct. 11, 2005 | David Frum

Posted on 10/11/2005 5:30:20 AM PDT by conservativecorner

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To: Wonder Warthog
Yeah, but with the Miers nomination, we go neither hamburger nor filet mignon---more like tofu burgers---an unacceptable imitation of beef

Even though I do have a bad habit of judging food before I taste it, I don't like to judge people before they have a chance to speak for themselves.

Bring on the hearings!!!

121 posted on 10/11/2005 7:08:04 AM PDT by syriacus (Harriet Miers deserves hearings and an up/down vote, not rocks thrown by "Harriet's Harriers")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

i agree with you 100%. bush is probably also going to give the rats the house and senate. i for one am very teed off at this guy.


122 posted on 10/11/2005 7:10:50 AM PDT by tdened
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To: RGSpincich
are missing a great presidency.

LOL!...Thanks...This thread needed a shot of humor to lighten it up a little.

123 posted on 10/11/2005 7:11:36 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: syriacus
Syriacus,

Do you really expect to get a good understanding of this nominee from the hearings?

They spend weeks prepping to ensure that they come off in a positive light while saying nothing on their positions on the major issues (as they should). I don't see how these hearings can determine whether an individual is a strict constructionist or not.
124 posted on 10/11/2005 7:11:37 AM PDT by al_again
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To: Rutles4Ever
Hugh Hewitt was spinning like a top last night, saying that Miers has impeccable credentials as a lawyer (huh? Lottery commission?) and that being an originalist is "easy" - that reading the constitution and interpreting it is not a big deal.

Hmmm, you left out the part where he wasn't alone and was talking to a professor, too, who gave a valid and persuasive argument that she is qualified.

125 posted on 10/11/2005 7:11:47 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: rbmillerjr
LOL, your forgetting about the undecideds smart guy..

Like I said if you can't count, give it up. The undecided could not be considered against Miers. So, using 10% as undecided and the 58% approval, it would be safe to say that nearly 70% of conservatives are unopposed to Miers' nomination.

126 posted on 10/11/2005 7:12:14 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Your ad hominem attack is ridiculous and only reveals the emptiness of your point of view. But it's not only absurd, it's pathetic.

LOL! The thing that was pathetic was your reply #57.

127 posted on 10/11/2005 7:13:55 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: conservativecorner
This article presupposes that this administration, right now, on Oct. 11, 2005, has the political will and political capital to do what it would take to push someone like Janice Brown ... who I'd like to see get this SCOTUS seat, BTW ... through the Senate. I don't think it does.

I've said this in every thread I've participated in on this topic, and I'll repeat it: We missed the chance to invoke the constitutional option, and I would be utterly surprised to see another chance come around without massive change in the Senate. Because while there are 55 Republicans in the Senate, there are not 55 movement conservatives, especially movement social conservatives. So for those spoiling for controntation and a fight with the libs over this, IMHO at this point in time, on Oct. 11, 2005, it's not likely to be a winnable fight. It would make us feel good and we could look in the mirror and say that we've stood on principle, but at the end of the day, again this is my .02, we lose because I do not see the constitutional option to break a Dem filibuster as an achievable option right now.

I am not thrilled with Miers, but I'm not ready to throw the president over the side (which is what a Senate rejection of this nominee would accomplish) or opt out of 2006 and 2008 in protest either ... to those who want to opt out of 2006, keep repeating this nine-word mantra, "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi."

128 posted on 10/11/2005 7:13:57 AM PDT by GB
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To: syriacus
I think you've missed the point. We know McVain and Schumer and their ilk are not are allies, but BUSH was OUR PRESIDENT! He was the one who was going to bring an end to the tyranny of the courts.

What happened? Roberts the jury is still out, very bright guy but nobody is really sure how conservative he will be. Miers, never took a position on a controversial issue and the RATS recommended her for the position.
129 posted on 10/11/2005 7:16:11 AM PDT by wmfights (lead, follow, or get out of the way)
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To: rbmillerjr; RGSpincich

As of a few minutes ago:

Free Republic Opinion Poll: Do you approve of Harriet Miers for Supreme Court?

Composite Opinion
Yes 34.1% 2,133
Need more info 32.7% 2,046
No 28.1% 1,758
I'm voting Hillary! 3.1% 194
Pass 2.0% 123
  100.0%   6,254
 
Member Opinion
Need more info 39.5% 1,097
Yes 30.4% 844
No 26.1% 723
Pass 2.3% 64
I'm voting Hillary! 1.7% 47
  100.0%   2,775
 
Non-Member Opinion
Yes 37.1% 1,289
No 29.7% 1,035
Need more info 27.3% 949
I'm voting Hillary! 4.2% 147
Pass 1.7% 59
  100.0%   3,479
 

It is a clearly dividing issue.

Instead of a principal debate (long overdue) between the Right and the Left about constitution and what is good for the country, we have an uninspiring candidate that divides conservatives.

What other issue divided conservatives so much lately?

It is an entirely self inflicted (by Bush) pain.

130 posted on 10/11/2005 7:17:36 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: ClearCase_guy
George H.W. Bush did not know David Souter. Souter was recommended to him by others. He got burned. George W. Bush did not want to get burned. He did want a nominee who could get on the bench. He chose someone who he KNEW. Someone he TRUSTED. This is the president who put Janice Rogers Brown on the Federal bench. He didn't want to get burned by someone he didn't know. So he chose someone very reliable. Someone he truly knew.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why indeed! Never have so many been STUCK-ON-STUPID!

131 posted on 10/11/2005 7:17:53 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Mr Rogers
No one is suggesting the Senate should filibuster her. The suggestion is that the President should withdraw the nominee, or that she should be voted down.

They suggest that "she should be voted down" before a hearing?

My suggestion is that she should get a hearing first .

Supposedly principled people who insisted on "up or down votes" for nominees, merely 6 months ago, have reversed course.

Perhaps these renegers are too near-sighted. They only defend nominees who are in danger of filibuster....when they can pick a good "consitutional" fight. Harriet doesn't fit their scenario.

I think that is the main problem. Folks were primed for a good fight against the libs. When that evaporated they turned their energy against Bush.

What do leaderless soldiers do, historically, when they are all dressed up for battle and the battle doesn't take place? They pillage.

132 posted on 10/11/2005 7:20:08 AM PDT by syriacus (Harriet Miers deserves hearings and an up/down vote, not rocks thrown by "Harriet's Harriers")
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To: conservativecorner

We've had enough justices appointed with long judicial histories who's job had been to rule based on the law as had been decided by higher courts. When placed on the high court, their actions there were significantly different that what was expected by those appointing them.

Appointing someone who is not competent for the job because of friendship is a very bad thing.

Appointing someone who you know well and feel would do a good job and uphold the constitution is a good idea.

There are some people I would have liked to see appointed, and Miers was not among them, but I've yet to see a good reason why she shouldn't be confirmed.

I would have rather that he appointed a tough conservative constitutionalist to the court, and aggressively fought the senate to get them confirmed.

Unfortunately our president doesn't appear to have the backbone to butt heads with the Senate and has taken the easy way out by choosing a candidate without a record on many contentious issues.

That doesn't mean that she isn't a qualified, conservative, constitutionalist. It means we end up having to trust that Bush has chosen well, which is something we are uncomfortable with for a variety of valid reasons.

However, in the end, it's the president that gets to pick the nominee, and he's chosen a person who is well versed in the law. She is as qualified as many who have served on the court in the past.


133 posted on 10/11/2005 7:21:08 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Tolik

Thanks, still sitting at 70% unopposed.


134 posted on 10/11/2005 7:22:20 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: syriacus
"Republicans have a perfectly constitutional, perfectly reasonable case for demanding an up-or-down vote on judicial nominees, "

And yet they don't overtly object to colture abuse. No outrage that capitulating to the gang of 14 effectively limits the President's power to nominate overtly conservative candidates.

While having the perfectly reasonalbe case, the GOP has asserted silence, acquiescence, and capitulation. The President hasn't done anything productive with this perfectly reasonable case.

Wussies.

135 posted on 10/11/2005 7:24:13 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: conservativecorner
'It's not a rebellion, sire: It's a revolution..... an uprising within the President's own party.

Neither a revolution, nor an uprising.

Pillaging and vandalizing by soldiers when the long-awaited battle is called off.

136 posted on 10/11/2005 7:25:09 AM PDT by syriacus (Harriet Miers deserves hearings and an up/down vote, not rocks thrown by "Harriet's Harriers")
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To: cyncooper

So we've got James Dobson, Harry Reid, Pat Robertson, Hugh Hewitt, and some professor in support of this nomination. Three shills a Demoncrat and a no-name.


137 posted on 10/11/2005 7:26:03 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: BluH2o
Maybe if I spell reeeaaaallll slooowwww ...

What would happen if you spelled slowly?

138 posted on 10/11/2005 7:26:33 AM PDT by syriacus (Harriet Miers deserves hearings and an up/down vote, not rocks thrown by "Harriet's Harriers")
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
They will no doubt say: do you want Hillary or a Dem Senate? Those please will start to ring hollow.

They are too vainglorius to plea for help. They will insult you into submission.

139 posted on 10/11/2005 7:27:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: syriacus
I think that is the main problem. Folks were primed for a good fight against the libs. When that evaporated they turned their energy against Bush.

You nailed it. That's most of what's going on here. As far as what folks like Coulter are saying, IMHO she's representing the mindset of a lot of Ivy League legal eagles who've worked hard and invested a lot of time and effort in trying to position themselves to get on the SCOTUS, and probably see it as their birthright ... folks can flame away, but there is a touch of elitism involved ... and then the president has the audacity to pick someone who went to ... GASP! ... Southern Methodist.

140 posted on 10/11/2005 7:29:25 AM PDT by GB
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