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Mac Mouths Off - Conceal carry laws should not include privacy provisions
The Eau Claire Spectator ^ | October 6, 2005 | Susan MacLaughlin

Posted on 10/06/2005 6:41:57 PM PDT by jdege

Mac Mouths Off

Conceal carry laws should not include privacy provisions
By Susan MacLaughlin

When my step-dad died last spring, my family began a long process of clearing out his personal possessions. Some we gave to charity, and others, including family heirlooms, were dispersed among his children, siblings and nieces and nephews.

As we culled through his closet, I was shocked to learn that my family owned a gun. I deserve the right to at least know they have that power.

What floored me was when my mom nonchalantly asked me to take the gun out to my uncle's truck. I had never touched a gun before.

However, not wanting to make waves, I did it. And, despite being in its case, in poor repair and most importantly unloaded, I somehow worried that I'd shoot myself. I was scared throughout the minute-long walk outside to the driveway.

I never want to touch a gun again.

And I don't know if I'd want a gun in my house again, either.

Last Thursday, state Sen. Dave Zien, R-Eau Claire, and state Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Waterford, introduced legislation that would allow people to carry concealed weapons. Zien also championed a similar bill two years ago that was vetoed by Democratic Governor Jim Doyle.

The current piece of legislation makes me nervous. I don't like the idea of not knowing if Joe Schmo walking down the street is packing or not.

What's worse is that in its current form, the legislation states this vital information about who is carrying a concealed weapon should be kept totally private - even from law enforcement.

This would mean that in situations like routine traffic stops, officers would not be able to check to see if the vehicle's owner had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Despite what the National Rifle Association says, it is in fact guns, not people alone, that kill other people. Those hired to keep us safe have a right to expect a certain degree of protection as well. We owe it to our officers to give them information about potentially dangerous situations, especially if we have it right at our fingertips.

If officers don't know who has a gun or not, they will likely have to treat everyone as if they are carrying a dangerous weapon. And really, would you blame them?

Further, the public has a right to know who is and is not carrying a concealed weapon.

Zien and Gunderson said in a recent Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article it wouldn't be fair to those choosing to conceal weapons, because it would make them targets in criminal investigations, even if they didn't have a reason to suspect them.

You know what? Tough. If people feel the need to conceal weapons, they should expect some consequences. And maybe being questioned now and then will be one of those consequences. If they don't commit crimes, they should have little to worry about.

When we're talking about something as serious as guns - which can take a life in an instant - a free flow of information is imperative.

I understand guns are a necessary part of life. People use them to hunt. Police officers and the men and women in the armed services use them for protection. I understand the Bill of Rights guarantees we all have the right to bear arms.

I don't understand letting anybody who jumps through small hoops walk through the streets with a gun in their back pocket.

I certainly don't understand not giving the public and the police fair warning. If someone holds the power to surprise me and take my life in a matter of seconds, I deserve the right to at least know they have that power.

If people are given the choice to conceal and carry weapons, the rest of us should be given the opportunity to have an informed choice on weather or not to associate with them.

MacLaughlin is a senior print journalism major and editorial editor of The Spectator. Mac Mouths Off is a weekly column that appears every Thursday.


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To: magslinger

Here in Arizona, if I'm stopped by the police and they run a license check on me, they will see that I hold a CCW permit. It's good for them in case I'm driving drunk or talking suicidal or on the wrong end of a high-speed chase. The police deserve to have all the information they can get when dealing with a potential bad guy.


41 posted on 10/06/2005 7:46:20 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: mwyounce

Well, I'd like to "be given the opportunity to have an informed choice on weather" as well. That's kind of a novel concept, I just dunno exactly how that would work.

Sad thing is, that may have been the most lucid comment in the entire article.


42 posted on 10/06/2005 7:48:35 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: jdege
And, despite being in its case, in poor repair and most importantly unloaded, I somehow worried that I'd shoot myself. I was scared throughout the minute-long walk outside to the driveway.

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The current piece of legislation makes me nervous. I don't like the idea of not knowing if Joe Schmo walking down the street is packing or not.

This neurotic wretch makes ME nervous. There are people out there who think their hangups are everybody else's problem. Spooky, and discouraging.

43 posted on 10/06/2005 7:49:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Come back, Shane!)
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To: jdege

Did she have to go to college to get that neurotic, or was she born that way?


44 posted on 10/06/2005 7:50:11 PM PDT by Erasmus (A strong bow is a terrible thing to waste. Give to the Antonio Janigro College Fund.)
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To: magslinger

As was stated a few posts below yours, it just gives the officer more info. And as the Ohio CCW holder said sometimes it causes the officer to show a little leeway. I'm also a CCW holder in AZ and most police will ask me if I'm carrying and then ask what I'm carrying. Some get real jealous when I'm wearing my Sig 229 or Kimber.:)AWB


45 posted on 10/06/2005 7:52:05 PM PDT by Americanwolfsbrother (Don't hate on someone for using their mind.)
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To: jdege
I don't like the idea of not knowing if Joe Schmo walking down the street is packing or not.

Someone should advise this ninny that criminals like it even less.

46 posted on 10/06/2005 7:53:51 PM PDT by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: Tarantulas
It's good for them in case I'm driving drunk or talking suicidal or on the wrong end of a high-speed chase

If they treat you any differently in any of those cases because you don't have a CCW they are stupid and letting their families down.

The police deserve to have all the information they can get when dealing with a potential bad guy.

They certainly do and get it when they run your plates, including your arrest record, if any. I'm just saying that not knowing you have a CCW doesn't affect their safety one bit, so they have no need to know.

47 posted on 10/06/2005 8:01:18 PM PDT by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: Americanwolfsbrother

Seems to me it would actually make a LEO less nervous, knowing that in most respects they are dealing with a law abiding citizen.


48 posted on 10/06/2005 8:02:39 PM PDT by rock58seg (My votes for Pres. Bush, the best candidate available, have not helped us, conservatively speaking.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Butthead has a sister?


49 posted on 10/06/2005 8:04:29 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: George Stupidnopolis
I hate to think what would have happened if her Mom had asked her to carry a box of rat poison, a baseball bat, a set of steak knives or a six pack of Jolt cola to the truck. I do believe Mom would have had to call the paramedics.

Heck, the truck is a lot more "powerful" than a handgun. Someone bent on doing evil could do a lot more harm with a truck than with a gun. People who are neurotic about something always seem to want to make their neurosis public policy.

50 posted on 10/06/2005 8:08:20 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Tarantulas
>>The police deserve to have all the information they can get when dealing with a potential bad guy.

Do you mean after the hypothetical high speed chase they find out you have a CCW and then relax, realizing you are one of the good guys after all? Then if they find your gun they will not see it as a threat because they know you are not a criminal?

Certainly you are not suggesting that a CCW holder is a higher threat to an officer than a non CCW holder.

51 posted on 10/06/2005 8:11:55 PM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

52 posted on 10/06/2005 8:12:03 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: jdege
I don't like the idea of not knowing if Joe Schmo walking down the street is packing or not.

Does the author have X-Ray vision? Does the Concealed Carry Law eliminate it?

Earth to Susan. Come in Susan. The bad guys are already packing, whether you know it or not.

53 posted on 10/06/2005 8:12:55 PM PDT by scott7278 ("If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.")
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To: jdege
Listening to liberals talk about guns (and war, and security, and defense, and, and, and, etc.....) is like listening to a room full of virgins talk about sex.

They don't understand, because they can't understand.

It's outside their frames of reference, but they are too arrogant and self-possessed to admit there's a subject they don't know everything about, and are absolutely positive that we have a right to their opinions.
54 posted on 10/06/2005 8:13:36 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!!!)
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To: Americanwolfsbrother

I read Crim's post with interest. What I got is that Ohio doesn't have the same law regarding informing the police that you have a CCW that AZ and MI do. It seems like the polite thing to do, and I'd likely do the same, except they already know. What I'm against is some curious cop seeing that you have a permit just because he ran your plates. There are a few officers here in MI who just don't like us plebes having the right to be armed, and show it.


55 posted on 10/06/2005 8:15:52 PM PDT by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: mwyounce

" MacLaughlin is a senior print journalism major"

That did it for me. I have neither time nor interest to waste on what presstitutes say, write, or think about guns.


56 posted on 10/06/2005 8:17:58 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: jdege
"I don't like the idea of not knowing if Joe Schmo walking down the street is packing or not."

That's not important, dear. What's important is that Jose Schmolio over there likewise doesn't know if Joe Schmo is packing heat or not. That may save you from being raped by Jose if you're around Joe.

Clearer now?

57 posted on 10/06/2005 8:20:15 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: jdege
Obviously the author of this piece is a Marion Zimmer Bradly /Darkover fan.
Fantasy/science fiction series:
Darkover is a planet originally colonized by a crashed spaceship from Earth, mostly filled with red haired Irish people with latent ESP powers.
After a few generations of inbreeding with the indigenous ...
Never mind, suffice it to say that magic ruled, and all lethal weapons, except knives and swords, were outlawed, except for those special secret weapons belonging to the strictly self-controlled ruling class of elites, who had special magical mental powers and mental weapons!

I've often thought it would be amusing to watch a group of Ann Ryand "Atlas Shrugged" fans meet up with MZB fans at a convention center hotel that had double booked...LOL!
58 posted on 10/06/2005 8:21:26 PM PDT by sarasmom (What is the legal daily bag limit for RINOs in the USA?)
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To: Tax-chick

They breath by hind brain reflex - sort of like a reptile.


59 posted on 10/06/2005 8:21:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Miss MacLaughlin is a disgrace to her heritage species.
60 posted on 10/06/2005 8:23:16 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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