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To: rwfromkansas
You didn't.

But, by neccessity, if God desires all to be saved, and not all are, He is.

I prefer to think of a God who can accomplish his will.

Well, according to that logic, Christ was just a patch job to fix the original mistake: Adam and Eve taking the forbidden fruit.

So, God messed it up the first time, but fixed it the second time?

Don't bother answering; I already know the answer. It's very clearly spelled out in the Westminster Confession of faith.

Adam and Eve were made to eat the fruit (because God is sovereign, he makes everyone do what He wants), because He wanted to damn the majority of humanity to hell to glorify his justice. The rest he saves to glorify his mercy.

Calvin's God is a sick and twisted individual.

58 posted on 06/08/2005 7:09:13 AM PDT by frgoff
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You Go frgoff

































59 posted on 06/08/2005 7:12:40 AM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)
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To: frgoff

God didn't mess up with Adam and Eve.

How dare you inpugn the sovereign Lord.

I find it funny how you Arminians say the God of Scripture is sick.

Can you please tell me how a person who hates God and is DEAD to sin, a person who CAN'T EVEN KNOW the things of God will come to faith in Christ without the Holy Spirit working in his life FIRST?

If your god ruled, we would all be in hell since since the Fall we are all dead to any goodness and anything of God.

Thank goodness God is on his throne so that we came to be saved by the glories of his grace.

By the way, your belief that everyone can choose God of their own free will (nevermind that we are dead spiritually...dead people have no function whatsoever....and also called "slaves to sin" in the NT) makes God a respecter of persons by creating people who are better than others. The ones who are better are created with the ability to see something good in God, while he lets everyone else rot because they have a lesser capacity to see any good in God, so they reject Christ. It is by necessity that the Arminian belief creates classes of people, one smart and one dumb, instead of an equal human race.

In Sovereign Grace theology, we are all equal in the eyes of God, but he has chosen of his own mercy and without seeing anything good in us to save some people of the freeness of his gracce. There is nobody better than another because WE ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE that is is God who saved us, not ourselves by "choosing" him when we were spiritually dead and unable to choose anything but evil. Calvinism doesn't create classes of people.

Arminianism does. Which one do you think is Biblical?


61 posted on 06/08/2005 7:21:14 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: frgoff
"Calvin's God is a sick and twisted individual."

Calvin's God is the God of the Bible. Read it more carefully. Jesus said you must be born again. Have you been born again? If you have been born again, you will know when you are. If you aren't born again, you aren't saved. Church denomination, doctrine, signing a piece of paper, all don't save you. The Bible clearly states some will go to hell. Jesus said He didn't want anyone to go there, but that they must go through Him. Ergo, Osoma is bound for hell unless he repents and is born again.

Are you saying Muslims can enter heaven without Jesus because Jesus died for them? If so, your oil is about 2 quarts low.(Parable of the 10 virgins) Are you saying the people at Noah's flood ended up in heaven? Sodom and Gomorrah? I was saved from the foundation of the world. Did they get saved some other way?

Calvin's God is the God of the Bible. It sounds like yours might be from a trip on LSD from the 60's.

Peace brother.

62 posted on 06/08/2005 7:32:11 AM PDT by chuckles
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