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Prehistoric Find Sheds Light On History Of Castle
This Is Bristol ^ | 6-7-2005

Posted on 06/07/2005 9:46:23 AM PDT by blam

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"...still inhabited and owned by the same family who were granted the castle in 1156."

Absolutely amazing.

1 posted on 06/07/2005 9:46:23 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 06/07/2005 9:46:59 AM PDT by blam
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I actually find the claim questionable...given the tremendous political turmoil at many points along english history, it seems improbable, if not downright impossible, that it wouldn't have been removed from local control at some point or other, probably many times.


3 posted on 06/07/2005 10:07:44 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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"...still inhabited and owned by the same family who were granted the castle in 1156."
Absolutely amazing.


If it were here in the USA, the castle would have been lost to estate taxes or emminent domain.


4 posted on 06/07/2005 10:10:19 AM PDT by ArmedNReady (Islam, the Cancer on Humanity.)
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'Severn Vale'

Is that close to Hogwarts?


5 posted on 06/07/2005 10:30:47 AM PDT by Leg Olam (I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.)
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6 posted on 06/07/2005 10:33:27 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("Die, Monster...Die!")
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I'd say that family exemplifies property rights practioners. Nearly a thousand years at the old family home has got to be some sort of record.


7 posted on 06/07/2005 10:46:36 AM PDT by GladesGuru
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still inhabited and owned by the same family who were granted the castle in 1156.

Boy, they must be really old now...

8 posted on 06/07/2005 10:51:32 AM PDT by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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"it seems improbable, if not downright impossible, that it wouldn't have been removed from local control at some point or other, probably many times."

This would not prevent a determined family from regaining control of the ancestral seat. Some have put great store in such notions, in the past.


9 posted on 06/07/2005 10:55:15 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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Thanks Blam. That's some cool family history for the owners, as well. They're descended (apparently) from some follower of Henry II. Medieval history ping for GGG.
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10 posted on 06/07/2005 11:02:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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I think we must be cousins...I'm packing my bags to go to "the old family homestead."

LOL!


11 posted on 06/07/2005 11:04:12 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

good point (the article didnt preclude this), though I would be skeptical of any claims of pre-plague geneological connections.


12 posted on 06/07/2005 11:05:45 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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"though I would be skeptical of any claims of pre-plague geneological connections."

Why would you be skeptical? That you're even here to be skeptical proves that some survived. Mediaeval society fell apart largely due to the plague, and so geneological connections are subsequently difficult to prove. But, there are those families who can prove them. The geneological difficulty in proving pre-plague connections most often hinges on the lack of a surname, going back in time. The practice is a sort of "Frenchification" adopted from the Normans, first appearing in royals and thence down the line to minor nobility and then to merchants and so forth. Freemen began having surnames around 1250, as best I can recollect from my reading.


13 posted on 06/07/2005 11:15:19 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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'Severn Vale'

Is that close to Hogwarts?

In a manner of speaking, yes. Many of the Hogwarts corridor and other interior scenes from the first two Harry Potter movies were filmed at Gloucester Cathedral.

14 posted on 06/07/2005 11:16:17 AM PDT by DSH
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Well put, Reg'Country, wholeheartedly agree. Centuries after this, Henry VIII had quite a large number of his old carousing buddies executed for treason on various flimsy excuses. He then (very often) confiscated their property and lands.

Nicholas Carew was one of his victims. Nicholas' son Francis Carew apparently pursued the matter in court, suing for return of the lands, titles, etc. After some years he prevailed to an extent, under Mary I ("Bloody Mary"), who needed all the friends she could get.

Meanwhile, Francis' sister Ann married Nicholas Throckmorton and proceeded to spit out kids like a vending machine. ;')

One of the children, Elizabeth Throckmorton, married Sir Walter Raleigh, who is much better known than the rest of this crowd.

Anyway, apparently Francis had never married (probably due to a lack of fortune and title, but who knows) and in any case, had no children. He adopted Ann Carew Throckmorton's son, Nicholas Throckmorton, under the condition that Nicholas take on the Carew family name.

So, the Carew family name and title was revived, and the new Nicholas Carew was indeed a descendant of the Nicholas Carew beheaded by the nutty tyrant Henry VIII.


15 posted on 06/07/2005 11:18:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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The remains found under the garden may well have been ancestors of the same family.


16 posted on 06/07/2005 11:25:49 AM PDT by RightWhale (Bush got better grades than Kerry)
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Freemen began having surnames around 1250

960 in my lineage, and not a whiff of royalty anywhere.

17 posted on 06/07/2005 11:28:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (Bush got better grades than Kerry)
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"The remains found under the garden may well have been ancestors of the same family."

Now that would be an interesting application of DNA testing.


18 posted on 06/07/2005 11:29:00 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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I think they have found some 10,000 years old with descendants living nearby.


19 posted on 06/07/2005 11:31:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (Bush got better grades than Kerry)
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"960 in my lineage, and not a whiff of royalty anywhere."

Which country? Some are better, some are worse. We were specifically speaking of England. My own surname is thought to have roots in Ireland, but it first appears in English records during the Templar inquisition of 1185. I haven't been able to prove anything prior to 1410, though... the plague thing coming into play, I guess.


20 posted on 06/07/2005 11:32:40 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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