ACLJ Files Lawsuit Against Illinois Governor Charging Order Requir'g Pharms. to Dispense Meds

American Center for Law & Justice ^ | April 13, 2005

[Borges]

I don't see how they have a case. If the requirements of the job offend your religious beliefs then don't take the job. If someone works in a bookstore they can't choose to not sell certain kinds of books.

[rmichaelj]

I believe the order forces those who own/operate/manage private pharmacies and chains to sell Birth control as well. That's the argument. To counter your statement, Why does there need to be a law, if the employee refuses the owner can fire them.

[Borges]

What I had in mind was a pharmacist in a store's employ who refused to dispense birth control even though the store carried it. If the Pharmacist is in business for himself there in no law that compels him to carry birth control unless I severely misread this article. Aren't they claiming to have a right to to sell something even if they work for someone else?

[TitansAFC]

The only problem with your statement is that these pharmacists took their jobs with the understanding that they were protected - BY LAW - from having to dispense such things. Only now does Blagojecivh want to try and overrule/overturn that law.

In the absence of that original understanding, the blame would fall on the pharmacist(s) who refuse; in this case, as far as they were concerned, the law permitted this. Now it's the Illinois Dems trying to say "yeah, we know what you agreed to (and understood) when you took the job, but now we're changing the rules so either violate your deeply held religious beliefs or get another job.

I wouldn't sell a child pornography book from a bookstore, regardless of whether or not someone determined it was legal.

[Borges]

should be 'a right not to sell something'

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[slowhandluke]

I don't see how they have a case. If the requirements of the job offend your religious beliefs then don't take the job. If someone works in a bookstore they can't choose to not sell certain kinds of books.

I think one problem is that the law also applies to pharmacists who own the pharmacy. And if you own the bookstore, you certainly have the right to decide what books to sell.

The flaw in your argument is in comparing the owner of the bookstore to the State, and as of yet, the State does not have ownership of the pharmacies.

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[Daisy4]

Thank you.

[Daisy4]

I took this from aclj.org. Does that make a difference?

[Daisy4]

"Manion argued that forcing pharmacists to fill prescriptions they believe violate their religious principles not only places those pharmacists in a moral dilemma but also violates the so-called conscience clause that allows those in the medical field to avoid performing procedures, most notably abortion, that they find reprehensible"

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A very good point here. Nurses and doctors do not have to participate in a procedure that violates their personal religious convictions such as abortion.

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[Revel]

You sick pups. How far have we gone down the slippery slope that you believe that anyone who by there very conscience can't be part of murdering abortion's- has no right to be a pharmacist. I keep seeing comments like yours all over FR, and I for one think this place has become infested with People who will prevent anyone else on FR from ever doing anything good. It makes me sick of being a human being when I see how many of you there are in world today. And I realize you don't have the moral capacity to understand a word I am saying. I guess it is just too late to do anything except watch the world go to hell. I normally just pass this crap over knowing that the reply it deserves will only cause me trouble, but I have reached the limit on this crap. I think many good people must be extremely demoralized by how you get away with spreading filth all over the place and not even getting called for it. And when I see two or three of you in a row show up with the same crap- then I wonder if DU has a portal that leads straight to FR. The FR I signed onto years ago would have fought your sick ideas tooth and nail. But you have all done your duty and worn everyone down by hitting in mass at every thread on a subject until people get tired of fighting you. You twist all the principles and traditions that this country was founded on until no one can recognize it, and causing it to fall. You don't believe in Evil, but I do...because I am looking at it. Now if it is my time to go. Then so be it. Just watching this place get worn down with dark ideas by people who despise God, is not doing me any good anyways.

[rmichaelj]

I think the law is broader than that and apples across the board to all pharmacists/pharmacies. Again, though why does the state need to be involved if individual managers and owners can decide to fire people who refuse to sell products in their store?

[Daisy4]

I don't see how they have a case. If the requirements of the job offend your religious beliefs then don't take the job. If someone works in a bookstore they can't choose to not sell certain kinds of books.

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You're comparing apples to oranges.

[FormerACLUmember]

Your position on this issue is very evil. And wrong. So Catholic Hospitals and their pharmacies must distribute poison which kills at least 50% of the people who injest this drug (RU-486)?? Nice position.

Thank God there are decent people fighting the totalitarian democrat party and its Culture of Death.

[Borges]

I wasn't referring to Birth Control on the level of RU-486 I was thinking about just normal birth control. The Pill etc.