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Scientists Analyze Chromosomes 2 and 4: Discover Largest "Gene Deserts"
National Human Genome Research Institute ^ | 06 April 2005 | Staff

Posted on 04/13/2005 6:20:23 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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1 posted on 04/13/2005 6:20:24 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 04/13/2005 6:21:59 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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This stuff is way out of my field of knowledge. I'm surprised to learn that we have one less pair of chromosomes than the apes. I would have thought more pairs would be indicative of further evolutionary advancement.


3 posted on 04/13/2005 6:35:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: PatrickHenry
It is also home to the gene with the longest known, protein-coding sequence - a 280,000 base pair gene that codes for a muscle protein, called titin, which is 33,000 amino acids long.

amazing complexity.

4 posted on 04/13/2005 6:37:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PatrickHenry
Scientists have tentative evidence that the gene may be used to make a protein in the brain and the testes.

Implying that women don't have this protein?

5 posted on 04/13/2005 6:40:33 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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Blah blah blah, a bunch of big words perpetuating a lie that we evolved from apes.


6 posted on 04/13/2005 6:43:37 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: PatrickHenry
Everybody be nice.

What's that supposed to mean? I love it when bad logic is portrayed as science. Sure the scientists in question have identified the functions of gene sequences with great precision and skill but, to jump from there to the rest is simply rediculous. Everybody be nice? There's no need to be mean to anyone just for being wrong. It's their God given right :)

7 posted on 04/13/2005 6:49:00 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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PH,

Haven't the evos at FR been assuring us for years that the fusion of the two ape chromosomes was a fact? On at least one recent thread they even had pictures pointing to where the centromere would have been. How can these evo scientists just now be announcing proof of what your team has long assured me HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN?


8 posted on 04/13/2005 6:51:15 PM PDT by Ahban (PS- they only show where the cut and paste was, not whether ID or evolution did it.!!!!)
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To: PatrickHenry

This wouldn't have happened if Bush had OK'd the Kyoto Protocol!


9 posted on 04/13/2005 6:51:28 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cicero

Yeah, but hardly irreducible even in the wildest fantasy, which is why the ID raconteurs don't torture us endlessly about titin. It basically evolved from a series of gene duplications in tandem with the evolution of multicellularity, giving rise to regularly repeating domain patterns.


10 posted on 04/13/2005 6:53:06 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Echo Talon
For more than two decades, researchers have thought human chromosome 2 was produced as the result of the fusion of two mid-sized ape chromosomes and a Seattle group located the fusion site in 2002.

Blah blah blah, a bunch of big words perpetuating a lie that we evolved from apes.

Yeah, really big words there. Must be all the way up to the 8th grade.

But really, the discovery of a 36,000 base pair sequence is really just a cosmic joke that G-d is playing on us to make us think that evolution happened. At least that is the viewpoint of our creationist "scientists" with their mail order Ph.Ds.

*snicker*

11 posted on 04/13/2005 6:59:49 PM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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To: AntiGuv

No, I wasn't claiming that it was. What this article says could just as easily be interpreted one way as the other. For instance, if God were designing apes and men, it stands to reason that He would use many of the same materials.

(I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just saying that this doesn't really prove that men evolved from apes. Before Darwin came along, the "great chain of being" that goes back to the ancient Greeks organized the members of the animal and plant kingdoms in much the same way as Darwinists did later. It was understood that there was a hierarchy of complexity, or of lower and higher orders.)


12 posted on 04/13/2005 7:01:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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What's that supposed to mean? I love it when bad logic is portrayed as science. Sure the scientists in question have identified the functions of gene sequences with great precision and skill but, to jump from there to the rest is simply rediculous.

What?!?

Scientists discover we have one fewer chromosome than the apes and then find a large section of one of our chromosomes that looks like it used to be a centromere.

The theory that fusion took place is a good one. It may not be correct, but there is evidence that it is.

It's hardly a ridiculous theory.

Here's an example of a ridiculous theory: the big sky-daddy is testing our faith by planting this genetic evidence.

13 posted on 04/13/2005 7:02:14 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Cicero

God would not use materials, he would conjure them. ;^)


14 posted on 04/13/2005 7:04:46 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: 2ndreconmarine
But really, the discovery of a 36,000 base pair sequence is really just a cosmic joke that G-d is playing on us to make us think that evolution happened.

He's not trying to "make us think" any such thing. Rather, He made us out of the same protiens because he made us out of the same kinds atoms - which work in the same way. Why do some people make things so complicated?

15 posted on 04/13/2005 7:05:15 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Funny that false evidence trail (a pseudo-centromere sequence) would be there if humans and apes are separately created. It's as if someone wanted to fake a chromosome fusion event in the history of humans. </creo-mode>


16 posted on 04/13/2005 7:05:53 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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God would not use materials...

Genesis says otherwise...

17 posted on 04/13/2005 7:07:48 PM PDT by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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It's as if someone wanted to fake a chromosome fusion event in the history of humans.

Creationism is knowing when not to look.

18 posted on 04/13/2005 7:08:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Ahban
Haven't the evos at FR been assuring us for years that the fusion of the two ape chromosomes was a fact? On at least one recent thread they even had pictures pointing to where the centromere would have been. How can these evo scientists just now be announcing proof of what your team has long assured me HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN?

I don't think anything can be proved in science. There are only theories that best fit the evidence.

What's interesting about this, though, is that science predicted fusion, and lo, here we have more evidence for it.

It really is too bad, though, that there isn't some book somewhere that already contains all the answers. Instead, scientists have to constantly check their theories and do research.

19 posted on 04/13/2005 7:09:49 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: derheimwill

Hmmmm.. I see an awful lot of "let there be"s in my version of Genesis....


20 posted on 04/13/2005 7:09:54 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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