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To: concrete is my business
Actually.... there is a large organization which runs throughout Italy: It's a nationalist Socialist movement. Some of its reps are in government. And Italy's Anarchist Movement links to the worldwide Anarchist movement. When you read their materials, you see, how much they are into all kinds of "resistance". Against their own countries, and especially against all countries involved with the WOT.

Now then. The big question to my line of thinking is:

WHERE DID CERTAIN PLAYERS IN ITALY GET THE MONEY TO PAY CURRENT AND PAST -- HOSTAGE RANSOM. Where did that money come from.

To me, that's the gazillion dollar question.

18 posted on 03/11/2005 9:48:51 AM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
Alright, here's the result of the first step in the search on whether or not Berlusconi (rich media mogul) pooled the money. ..."pooled," because IMO, if (if) he really did, he did so by collaborating with all parties that he has been able to get his fingers into. Oh, there's so much more I could tell you, and some that I have, in the past... Here's John Gibson's Fox News story.

Here's one Washington Times piece about that, but it refers to the "two simonas" thing and says that Berlusconi paid that ransom. ...might be another Wash. Times piece and maybe more. We'll see.

A thought or two from experience but aside from the facts (and lack of) so far:

Let me tell you, the Mob does get itself popular through media, and it does give a lot to community charities, raising its hands to the applause. You might even remember something about a saddening revelation on the left coast not so long ago--a teeny, weeny look at the dark side of all that. But I contend that that was nada. It gets a lot worse than that.

And a large portion (not all, as some are very anti-) in the cultures of Italy and Greece are the Mob and where one particular operations style of legitimizing crime into government came from.
23 posted on 03/11/2005 2:30:47 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Alia
"Yet, even as his government officially rebuffed reports of a ransom arrangement in the Sgrena affair, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was quoted by the newspaper Il Messaggero conceding: 'We have to rethink our strategy in dealing with kidnappings.'"

Ah, and see that above.

And while we're at it, let's take a look at a teeny bit of Calipari's history. Yes...more of my guesses from observations in Spooky DeVille. Calipari "fought organized crime." So do the bosses (city councilmen, commissioners, chairmen of the boards, businessmen--even mayors) of many who fight organized crime. After their families get into "legit" business, they don't stop competing with competing gangs. They keep one or two illegit accomplices in the shadows at time, for dirty work. They have all others arrested then hold their hands in the air for the community applause, just like they do in the neighborhoods in the USA. They give to the poor and go to parties.
24 posted on 03/11/2005 2:50:31 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Alia
Berlusconi's Casa delle Libertà (House of Freedoms) includes Forza Italia ("Go On Italy" or "Come On Italy") and the Alleanza Nazionale (National Alliance). Only the Lega Nord (Northern League) broke off from the Casa delle Libertà.

I'll get you some references in a little while. ...need to do a couple of other things first.
25 posted on 03/11/2005 5:11:03 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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