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To: robertpaulsen
But what are we to do when virtue goes away -- when people define for themselves what is right and what is wrong?

Hey, you've got support for your view:

Democracy is based on the principle of freedom of religion and belief. Under democracy, a man can believe anything he wants and choose any religion he wants and convert to any religion whenever he wants, even if this apostasy means abandoning the religion of Allah... This is a matter which is patently perverse and false and contradicts many specific [Muslim] legal texts, since according to Islam, if a Muslim apostatizes from Islam to heresy, he should be killed, as stated in the Hadith reported by Al-Bukhari and others: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.' It does not say 'leave him alone.'...
Democracy is based on the principle of 'freedom of expression,' no matter what the expression might be, even if it means hurting and reviling the Divine Being [i.e. Allah] and the laws of Islam, because in democracy nothing is so sacred that one cannot be insolent or use vile language about it....
--Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

60 posted on 02/24/2005 7:26:38 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: robertpaulsen; steve-b; SJackson; dennisw; Salem; F15Eagle

Hey, you've got support for your view:

Democracy is based on the principle of freedom of religion and belief. Under democracy, a man can believe anything he wants and choose any religion he wants and convert to any religion whenever he wants, even if this apostasy means abandoning the religion of Allah... This is a matter which is patently perverse and false and contradicts many specific [Muslim] legal texts, since according to Islam, if a Muslim apostatizes from Islam to heresy, he should be killed, as stated in the Hadith reported by Al-Bukhari and others: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.' It does not say 'leave him alone.'...
Democracy is based on the principle of 'freedom of expression,' no matter what the expression might be, even if it means hurting and reviling the Divine Being [i.e. Allah] and the laws of Islam, because in democracy nothing is so sacred that one cannot be insolent or use vile language about it....
--Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

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Islam's greatest enemy and worst fear is democracy. The rule by and for the people is completely opposite to the rule of Islam, which is the (iron-fisted) rule of the Koran and the Islamic elite.

68 posted on 02/24/2005 7:36:54 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: steve-b
Hey, you've got support for your view:

He's right. The effect of democracy is to push for radical individualism, which eventually rots and destroys liberty. The restraining factor on radical individualism is morality and virtue as defined by religion (specifically, the judeo-christian ethic).

With the collapse of that ethic, radical individualism proceeds unbridled and we wind up with the cultural rot today that slowly devolves toward tyranny or anarchy.

I would highly recommend you read Slouching Towards Gommora.

108 posted on 02/24/2005 8:44:43 AM PST by frgoff
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