[Cultural Jihad]

Democracy only works when its members are moral, responsible, self-governing people. The huge social problems we are facing today is a result of moral-liberalism. For centuries we had no problems with the political will of the people of a state saying that evil behaviors have evil repercussions and are intolerable. If you want to call the Founding Fathers 'communists' then go for it.

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"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." -John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 Address to the military

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"A general dissolution of the principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy.... While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.... If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security." -Samuel Adams

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"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man." -Samuel Adams

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"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." -William Penn

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"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles." -Patrick Henry

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The moral-liberal libertarians toy with the idea of making personal corruption some sort of human right only at the expense of liberty, since a corrupt people will never install virtuous leaders.

[robertpaulsen]

Well put.

[Protagoras]

Democracy only works when its members are moral, responsible, self-governing people.

Since no one in the world has ever been nor ever will be those things, one must assume you are AGAIN arguing against Americans and their form of government. Please suggest YOUR ideal form of government since you don't like our form.

The Taliban seems to be the model that fits your ideal.

Advocating Holy war (Jihad) against the American culture is not a moral thing.

[jackbob]

I agree with you and the founding fathers in as far as agreeing that our form of government will not survive if we lose our morals, virtue, manners, etc. Recognizing this, it seems that you ought to be defending them as worthy values for America. But instead, I see you only using them as tools so as to help bring down our limited form of government.

It appears that you are one of those lacking in the morals and virtue necessary to maintain our form of government.