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To: steve-b

"Greed IS good. What on earth are you doing in FR (instead of DU) if you have a problem with people getting rich?"

Ayn Rand notwithstanding, greed is NOT good. Self-interest is OK and understandable but greed is a sickness of the mind and soul. Rand's creed is I, I, I, I, I ... It doesn't work if everyone follows it.

I have no problem with people getting rich.

What the libertarians can't understand - at least until they grow up - is that man is a social being and to maximize individual liberty (licience) with no thought given to one's fellow man is to invite chaos which then can quickly turn into totalitarianism.

When you maximize individual liberty (right to porn, whores, drugs, movement across borders, etc.), the equation becomes: libertarianism = tyranny. That's how the world works.

And by the way, libertarians will NEVER take over the GOP. The best they can do is influence the party on the margins.




234 posted on 02/24/2005 2:56:56 PM PST by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Pittsburg Phil
What the libertarians can't understand - at least until they grow up - is that man is a social being and to maximize individual liberty (licience) with no thought given to one's fellow man is to invite chaos which then can quickly turn into totalitarianism.

Libertarians don't believe in the things you pretend they believe in. The one who needs to grow up is you. Your ideas about things are quite childish.

237 posted on 02/24/2005 4:30:03 PM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: Pittsburg Phil

"What the libertarians can't understand - at least until they grow up - is that man is a social being and to maximize individual liberty (licience) with no thought given to one's fellow man is to invite chaos which then can quickly turn into totalitarianism."

Man is a social being. And? This has jack and $#^& to do with government. Man will be social and will form social bonds with or without government. Government exists to ensure a functional marketplace and physical security, nothing more. Creating social bonds is your job.

I've noticed many of you go to a church. Did the government form that? Nope, people got together and made church groups on their own. Churches are free to make their own membership rules, and can throw those out who don't follow. There's your social bonds. I'm all for churches, just don't expect me to join and don't shove your group's morality down my throat. There are all sorts of ways for Man to express his social side. But government has no business getting involved.

There's your liberty.


242 posted on 02/24/2005 9:02:48 PM PST by New Orleans Slim
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