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Canseco takes swing at Ripken
Baltimore Sun ^ | February 15, 2005 | Jeff Barker

Posted on 02/15/2005 4:01:21 PM PST by Mr. Mojo

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To: aroostook war

I'd place Nettles between Robinson and Schmidt as far as glove play is concerned (his performance in the '78 WS was legendary), but obviously at the bottom of that (short) list in overall play.


61 posted on 02/15/2005 5:39:42 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Jhensy
And, to put out a feeler, if I were to say the name "Kevin Costner" on a Cal Ripken thread, would anyone know what I'm talking about?

Urban legend, buddy.

62 posted on 02/15/2005 5:41:42 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Jose Canseco DID do one great thing for baseball. He tried to field a fly ball, only to miss it completely with his glove, have the ball bounce off his head and over the fence.

One of my favorite baseball blooper videos.

63 posted on 02/15/2005 5:41:57 PM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

>>I miss him dearly.


Just take a trot up to Aberdeen this Spring and take a breath of fresh air.


64 posted on 02/15/2005 5:43:52 PM PST by GopherIt
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To: builder

The ball hitting him on top of the head and going over the fence will always be my favorite Canseco memory. The best part was that he looked like he didn't know the ball hit him. I'm inclined to believe he didn't feel it.


65 posted on 02/15/2005 5:46:15 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: DCPatriot

I agree with you 100%, and I've said for years that he would have been a much better player if he had simply taken some time off every now and then. The real clue to this is that his best season was only about 4-5 years into something like a 20-year career, and he was pretty much in a long, slow decline from that point forward.


66 posted on 02/15/2005 5:55:22 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: ConservativeTerrapin
I will be surprised if he makes it in Cooperstown.

He needed 500 HRs and didn't get there. That's what I think all this bitterness is about. He's a guy with tremendous talent who should have been a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer, and he let it all go by doing stupid things like ruining his arm playing "relief pitcher". So since he isn't going to get in, he's slamming all of his contemporaries like Ripken and McGwire who will.

67 posted on 02/15/2005 5:56:25 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Mojo

I think Canseco's just angry at those shortstops because the odds of them having a fly ball bounce off their heads and over the wall for a home run were remote at best.


68 posted on 02/15/2005 5:56:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: DCPatriot
As a former Oriole fan I heard that a lot the last few years Cal played. My response was always "Who was going to take his place? Manny Alexander?" The Oriole farm system was and still is a train wreck. With no one to promote to short and the free agent money going to great choices like Bonilla and Albert Belle, I don't know that there was any option other than Cal at short. Cal was one of the few reasons to pay to see a once great franchise and now that he is gone, I know that's why I'm one of those empty seats at Camden Yards.

But enough of that...LETS GO NATS!
69 posted on 02/15/2005 6:08:01 PM PST by Fry
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To: grey_whiskers
You said, "I just wish the Orioles never let Eddie Murray go...
or Earl Weaver...
or..
aw, shucks, I'll just say it:

Long live the '69 - '71 Orioles!

Full Disclosure: Aww, Brooks woulda' got that one!"

That takes me back a bit. We used to sit in upper deck, section 5 (on the third base side)just to watch Brooks play. Oh, to watch Paul Blair fly across the centerfeild grass, Belanger (the Blade) chase down a seeing eye grounder deep in the hole, Singleton carefully guard the plate, Frank Robinson line one back through the box after the pitcher tried to brush him back a little and see Palmer's leg kick or Cuellar's huge slow curve.

I even saw Boog Powell steal a base one night. They just forgot about him over there on first and he took off. Much to the delight of the crowd.

The race for Rookie of the Year between Al Bumbry and Rich Coggins (sp?) What ever happened to him?

Thanks for the walk down memory lane.
70 posted on 02/15/2005 6:10:09 PM PST by ChipShot
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To: Sonny M
Dallas?

A-rod played for the Texas Rangers.

How is Conseco using racism while A-Rod is also spanish.

Neither A-rod nor Jose is from Spain.

71 posted on 02/15/2005 6:15:12 PM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: DCPatriot

"Cal Ripken indirectly was responsible for the Orioles being bridesmaids and not champions."

"He should have been moved to 3rd base long before Mike Bordick arrived. His range was diminished and his bat speed hardly provided warning track power for too many years."

You may be a Patriot but you know nothing of baseball history, the Orioles, or Cal Ripken Jr.

The Orioles teams sucked in his later years.
Ripken had very good range, better than all but the elite defense only types.
Ripken hit more HRs from SS position than anybody in the game including Ernie Banks.
There was nobody in the farm system or the bench that was better than Ripken at SS...Manny Alexander sucked ass.


72 posted on 02/15/2005 6:25:18 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: DCPatriot

"Cal Ripken indirectly was responsible for the Orioles being bridesmaids and not champions."

"He should have been moved to 3rd base long before Mike Bordick arrived. His range was diminished and his bat speed hardly provided warning track power for too many years."

You may be a Patriot but you know nothing of baseball history, the Orioles, or Cal Ripken Jr.

The Orioles teams sucked in his later years.
Ripken had very good range, better than all but the elite defense only types.
Ripken hit more HRs from SS position than anybody in the game including Ernie Banks.
There was nobody in the farm system or the bench that was better than Ripken at SS...Manny Alexander sucked ass.


73 posted on 02/15/2005 6:25:20 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Jhensy
On the Costner / Ripken rumor:

This is a debunked urban legend according to Snopes.
74 posted on 02/15/2005 6:29:18 PM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Fry
Wrong again, liver and onions breath..... ;^)

If they had moved Cal to 3rd, they might have been able to sign a free agent SS.

I'm of the age where the SS was a defensive position and not to be counted on for offense.

Cal changed that...to the detriment of the O's. Cal invented A-ROD and JETER...and to a lesser extent, Nomar Garciaparra.

If Cal had been playing his REAL position 3rd base, they would have been able to fill in the SS position.

Finally, 3rd is an easier position to play.

75 posted on 02/15/2005 6:32:12 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Alberta's Child; DCPatriot
"The real clue to this is that his best season was only about 4-5 years into something like a 20-year career, and he was pretty much in a long, slow decline from that point forward."
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I guess it depends on how you define "slow decline". I don't see it here. How do you define it?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/ripken/bal-ripkencareerstats.htmlstory
76 posted on 02/15/2005 6:32:30 PM PST by Mase
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To: TankerKC
A-rod played for the Texas Rangers.

Arlington is part of Dallas?

I'm from New York, so my Texas geography isn't very good. I thought Arlington was like a separate city and stuff.

77 posted on 02/15/2005 6:36:27 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: All
you people and your hapless defense of rush's mistake crack me up to no end.

RUSH WAS INAPPROPRIATE. NO AMOUNT OF TANGENTIAL VERBAL EXCREMENT THROWN AGAINST THE FR WALL EVERY TIME A MINORITY ATHLETE IS IMPERFECT WILL VALIDATE IT. ANYONE WHO APPLAUDS YOU WAS A LAPDOG TO BEGIN WITH. BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT.

this has been a public service announcement.

78 posted on 02/15/2005 6:40:03 PM PST by Libertarian4Bush
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To: DCPatriot

"I'm of the age where the SS was a defensive position and not to be counted on for offense."

See that's the problem. Move on. The game passed you by. Ripken revolutionized the Shortstop position. He was one of the originals who added power and rbi production to an anemic position. That is a team multiplier. For the majority of his career he was the only one out there doing what he did.

Besides the point is not Ripken a HOFer...it is that a scum sucking Roid taking weasel like Canseco talked shit about Ripken.

Envy. Jealousy. Liar. Noncredible. Canseco and others.


79 posted on 02/15/2005 6:50:06 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: DCPatriot
He never rode the team bus and stayed in separate hotels under the auspices that he would then not be a distraction to the rest of the guys

I don't blame him, there were always 100-200 or more 'jock-sniffers' hanging around the team hotel lobby, bar, restaurant, hotel taxis, plus the hotel workers who bug the h*ll out of ballplayers they want to be near.

The team ownership wanted the streak to last as long as possible too..and had the last word as long as Cal could take the field. That is who the fans were coming to see, in or out of the race.

It reminds me somewhat of Mantle. If Mantle could limp out to the field on crutches, they wanted him out there. He and Cal were both gamers.

One line on Canseco. I think that fly ball that bounced off his bean over the fence for a homerun...well it must have done some damage to his brain. Of course brain X-rays would find absolutely NOTHING.

80 posted on 02/15/2005 6:59:19 PM PST by joe_broadway (The Democrat party is an ACLU cult.)
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