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Senate Newcomer Leads Social Security Deal
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Posted on 02/12/2005 11:03:01 AM PST by Republican Red

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1 posted on 02/12/2005 11:03:01 AM PST by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red
And he is no moderate. First in the House and now in the Senate, Graham has compiled a solidly conservative voting record. He took on a partisan task as one of the House managers who presented the case for the impeachment of President Clinton.

Wow.

The AP praising a "conservative" Republican?

Who'd a thunk it?

(Pronounced eye roll.)

2 posted on 02/12/2005 11:08:24 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: Republican Red

Just for the record, Lindsey Graham was a McCain supporter and not for Bush in the '00 primaries.


3 posted on 02/12/2005 11:16:30 AM PST by kingattax
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To: 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; acf2906; ...

Lindsey Graham/South Carolina Ping

Add me to the ping list. Remove me from the ping list.

4 posted on 02/12/2005 11:21:32 AM PST by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Republican Red
I am a fan of Senator Graham. Good for him, and the Dems he's working with, for looking for bi-partisan support for a bill. This is what our congress is all about, reasoned compromise.
5 posted on 02/12/2005 11:21:39 AM PST by Yinzer
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To: kingattax; Republican Red; Do not dub me shapka broham; Howlin

Lindsey Graham is a disloyal punk. He won't hesitate to stab President Bush in the back the minute he has the opportunity. He's already tried to derail Bush's social security plan by calling for a tax increase. He's also gone after Alberto Gonzalaz, joining with the libs in accusing him of torture. He's no conservative and no friend of Bush.


6 posted on 02/12/2005 11:21:58 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone; Yinzer; upchuck; Slings and Arrows
Worst...extemporaneous speaker...ever.

Nuff said.

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

7 posted on 02/12/2005 11:24:00 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: ClintonBeGone

Ditto, beat me to it.


8 posted on 02/12/2005 11:29:54 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Republican Red

This is exactly what we need to get these important reforms moving. Finally someone willing to propose meaningful reform AND set out a plan to pay for it. Best of luck to Senator Graham's initiatives.


9 posted on 02/12/2005 11:30:46 AM PST by nauticalwheeler96
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To: Republican Red
Under the current system, Social Security taxes are paid on only the first $90,000 of income. Graham suggests raising that cap, perhaps to $200,000, to make up some of the money that personal accounts would drain from the system. At the current Social Security tax rate of 6.2 percent, a $200,000 cap would mean someone with that income would be paying an additional $6,820 a year in taxes.

Interesting that the reporter seems to believe taxpayers are only paying half of the FICA. I suppose he thinks the other half is attributable to that famous employer generosity and charitability.

Reveals a certain ignorance of the issue that should disqualify him from even reporting on the subject.

10 posted on 02/12/2005 11:34:58 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Gee, just raise the cap so we take more from the rich and give to the poor. Brilliant Robinhoodisque wealth distribution. /s

Not a fan of Graham.


11 posted on 02/12/2005 11:39:57 AM PST by commonguymd (My impatience is far more advanced than any known technology.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

" Lindsey Graham is a disloyal punk.He won't hesitate to stab President Bush in the back the minute he has the opportunity. "

Half the time, I can't figure out what his position is on an issue, because he seems to pivot from one side to the next, mid sentence and then sprinkles his sentences with corn pone rhetoric and country folksisms- almost as a smoke screen.
I don't know if he does this on purpose, to play both sides or whether he's just not that bright and has no idea what he's talking about.
Just when I think he's a good guy, he'll come out with some insane comment .
Like this :
"But it was a Republican, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who put Gonzales on the defensive.
Graham rattled the nominee by suggesting the United States, by abusing detainees, had sunk to the level of its enemies."
And then Graham votes to confirm Gonzales.
Like you, I don't trust Graham because his comments don't seem to match his voting record , so you never know when he's going to flip.


12 posted on 02/12/2005 11:43:02 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Republican Red

Just think of the field day that RATS and the press will have if President Bush joins his father in breaking his pledge not to raise taxes.


13 posted on 02/12/2005 11:44:08 AM PST by desert song
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To: Republican Red

Graham is stabbing Bush and conservatives in the back. he wins NO respect from me for trying to derail S.S. reform by demanding tax hikes. Best thing that could happen is for the conservatives in his state to kick him out and put in new conservative blood.


14 posted on 02/12/2005 11:54:45 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Republican Red

He's a McCainiac, enuf said.


15 posted on 02/12/2005 12:00:11 PM PST by Mister Baredog (uote)
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To: Soul Seeker

I think the guy has guts though and he has voted with the Repubs overwhelmingly.......I don't mind if every once in awhile someone has the guts to be an independent thinker. I don't always follow the party line just for the sake of doing it.....sometimes there are good ideas that need to be explored, even if they are wrong......If you know anyone that agrees 100% with the top brass, I'll show you a butt kisser many of the times.......Good for him


16 posted on 02/12/2005 12:00:18 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: commonguymd
Gee, just raise the cap so we take more from the rich and give to the poor. Brilliant Robinhoodisque wealth distribution

I agree with the sarcasm.

But if this is what it takes to get sixty votes for Social Security reform and personal accounts, I'm not averse to doing it.

Long-term, personal accounts are the best solution. And, if the choice is between compromise or no reform, then this would be a compromise I could live with. It's that important that the principle of personal accounts win -- because:

a. Personal accounts will make the Social Security program a better deal for everybody who gets to take advantage of them (I'm two months from taking Social Security, they won't help me).

b. The money in Personal Accounts is money that won't be in the Social Security Trust Fund, for congresscritters like Graham to spend.

c. But the money in Personal Accounts will be available as a pool of investment capital that can help the American economy continue to grow and innovate.

Consequently, Personal Accounts are a principal worth compromising for.

17 posted on 02/12/2005 12:04:22 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Republican Red

It looks to me that the AP is pushing this to get a tax raise from Bush, then jump all over him for raising taxes.


18 posted on 02/12/2005 12:18:14 PM PST by Hurricane
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To: commonguymd
Gee, just raise the cap so we take more from the rich and give to the poor. Brilliant Robinhoodisque wealth distribution. /s

That is the Dem leadership's idea, except they don't include private accounts to go with it. The reason they screamed that SS was in crisis during the Clinton years was just to raise taxes for more pork. Now they say SS is not in crisis since all you have to do is raise taxes and cut benefits and the problem is solved. They don't want money taken out of the "Trust" fund because it is actually a political slush fund. If it weren't for the pesky problem of having to write checks to SS recipients every month all would be peachy keen.

The left rides sidesaddle.

19 posted on 02/12/2005 12:23:35 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Hurricane

Is this going to be the proposal that gets pushed forth? I hope the leadership will silence Graham ASAP.


20 posted on 02/12/2005 12:25:51 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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