New Chemical Testing Points to Ancient Origin for Burial Shroud of Jesus

Yahoo ^ | January 19, 2005

[Swordmaker]

SHROUD of TURIN PING!

More on the Carbon Dating error...

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[Swordmaker]

Doesn't look Jewish to me. Thought it was Di Vinci's handiwork...

Da Vinci was born 101 years after the Shroud was first displayed in Lirey, France.

[Mercat]

"a common conceptual image"

By that I assume you mean that it looks like the velvet pictures. :-D

Actually, the explanation of that is simple. He was extremely important to the people who knew him. They would have passed on information about how he looked. If the shroud had been around and seen by members of the early church, it would have served as a template. Finally, there is the Holy Spirit.

[Mercat]

"Is one's faith so dependent?"

Not at all. It's no more dependant on the issue than it is on whether Mel Gibson gets an Oscar for the Passion. But I'm interested in the subject. Early, ancient history is a fascinating subject.

[Just mythoughts]

"The title's kind of misleading. Proving that the patch was medieval doesn't prove that the Shroud is "ancient". It just leaves the question open. "


Actually it begs the question regarding the credibility of those who did the first test. I have no vested interest in the status of the 'Shroud'.

[NYer]

doesn't anyone think it's funny that it's a common "conceptual image" of Jesus?

Fake or real, the pictures on the Shroud of Turin are pictures of Jesus. If the Shroud is fake, then the artist intended us to believe that the pictures are pictures of Jesus. If the Shroud is real, and the pictures are the product of a natural phenomenon or a miracle, then they are almost certainly pictures of Jesus.

There are no descriptions of Jesus' appearance in the New Testament. Nor are there any reputable descriptions in any known early Church sources. St. Augustine of Hippo made a point of this when he wrote his monumental works in the fifth century. Yet, starting in the sixth century a new picture, a new common appearance for Jesus emerged in eastern art. We see it today in all manner of pictures of Jesus: icons, paintings, mosaics and Byzantine coins. This common picture quality seems to have started in the Middle East about the same time that the Image of Edessa was discovered. Prior to this time, pictures of Jesus were mostly of a young, beardless man, often with short hair, often in story-like settings in which he was depicted as a shepherd.

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[NYer]

You pose a good question, but I'd have to ask - where did the conceptual images *come* from? :D

Ping to post #46 and the embedded link.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!