Posted on 12/04/2004 9:22:19 PM PST by CHARLITE
Alexander the gay just doesn't sound right.
Which is why Asian cinema and anime (for the younger crowd) are eating their lunch these days.
So true, I recall Brad Pitt promising that "We'd have everyone wearing skirts by this summer."
Anyone see Mr. Pitt lately? Didn't think so.
Uh, no, sorry...but thanks for playing! :-)
"Uh, no, sorry...but thanks for playing! :-)"
Yes they are. Check out some of the ancient artifacts found in Macedonia, Greece:
Gold ring with the incised Greek inscription "DOROV" in Greek alphabet. From Sindos in Thessaloniki. It is dated to the second quarter of the 5th century B.C.
http://alexander.macedonia.culture.gr/2/21/211/21116/21116ek/00/ring.jpg
Sherd of a kylix with an incised inscription in Greek. It is dated to the third quarter of the 6th century B.C. from Sani in Greece.
http://alexander.macedonia.culture.gr/2/21/211/21116/21116ek/00/ostr.jpg
Here is a boundary settlement from 357-350 B.C. between villages and cities of a hilly Macedonian district enforced on the 'waring' local population after the intervening of King Philip II. The border of neighbouring places are defined with reference to rivers, hills, pavements, roads, sanctuaries and private fields. It is written in Greek for the local population. If as some theorize, that the locals and non-royal Macedonians did not speak Greek in those days, then this official document would not be in Greek.
http://alexander.macedonia.culture.gr/2/21/211/21116/21116ek/00/basilika.jpg
Well, without refighting the Macedonian independence movement (BTW, I'm a totally independent observer with no interest in either side's view), let's look at the time in question...Alexander's time, and his father's.
Philip II (Alexander's father) was Philip of Macedon. If he was Greek, why did he "conquer Greece" and raze all "Greek cities" that were in Macedonia? The fact is, Philip II was Macedonian, was King of Macedon, and did not consider himself "Greater Greek" or anything like that. When Alexander campaigned, his army had 4 times as many Macedonians as Greeks in it.
Finding artifacts with certain language markers does not mean the peoples were the same, or considered themselves to be such. And that was the point of the original comments made.
I agree, this should be based on facts and what is known from history and not ‘refighting’.
Philip II and his Royal Family considered themselves descendants of the famous Greek hero Hercules, who was Dorian. An inscription of this is found in the Royal House of the Macedonians, written in Doric. They spoke the Greek dialect of Doric. Yes he was known as Philip of Macedonia but people back then were known in those terms, for instance King Alexander of Epirus was known as Alexander of Epirus. A Spartan in Athens would be considered just as much as a foreigner as a Macedonian in Athens. The same would apply for an Athenian in Epirus or Thessaly. That did not mean they were not all Hellenic.
They all shared a common culture in the sense that they were descendants of the various different Greek tribes that existed back then. They all shared the same culture, spoke Greek dialects, and worshiped the same Gods.
Philip didn't 'conquer Greece' since there was no “Greece” to conquer back then, at least not in the modern geographical political terms one associates it with now. What he did was unite the different city states that were at war with each other since their existence. That was not something new originating with Philip. This was an idea that the Athenians as well as the Spartans and other Greek states were dreaming about for thousands of years...hence all the internal fighting between them. Each one wanted to emerge as the dominating state. Also there were Athenians who supported Philip in uniting the Hellenic States in a war against the Persians. One of these was Athenian Isokratis who died before seeing his dream become a reality. The majority of his troops might have been made up of Macedonians but there was also a great amount of Greeks with his court.
As for the artifacts, those were just a few examples with pictures on the internet. All Macedonian names and toponyms, and archaeological evidence is in Greek., gives prudence that they were a Greek culture more than not.
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Yikes,
The Iliad survives as a recognized classic for millenia.
But, somehow, the story isn't good enough for Hollywood...
Betcha The Iliad still goes on to outlast "Troy".
It will be pulled from distribution and interred shortly. Last word was that Alexander was grossing $144/day per screen.
And trending down...
Welcome to FR. I checked your other threads and see that you're a Greek apologist, and as I said, I am not really interested in the debate in the terms you're proposing. My point is simply that "Macedonian" was a distinct description from "Greek"--and your comments* confirm what I said. Ergo, we agree.
*E.g., "The majority of his troops might have been made up of Macedonians but there was also a great amount (sic) of Greeks with his court."
Except with the teenage girl demographic... :-)
Then your not reading my comments right for if you were you would see we do not agree.
*E.g., "The majority of his troops might have been made up of Macedonians but there was also a great amount (sic) of Greeks with his court."
By "Greeks" I meant other Greeks and all this is a mute point since Macedonians were Greeks to begin with.
As for being "a Greek apologist" wrong again. Just stating historic facts that have been proven so far, unlike the other side which bases most of its claims on theories and assumptions. For instance, we hear about this ancient Macedonian language that existed during Philips and Alexanders time; well if it existed and spoken in the 4th century BC by Philip, Alexander and the rest of Macedonia then were is it? I quite doubt that Alexander would wipe his "native tongue" off the face of the earth just so he can spread the language/culture of the people he conquered, the Greeks.
Thanks for the welcome.
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