That was then ... this is now. Enough, already!
Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list
Posted on 11/29/2004 2:57:11 PM PST by blam
Leaving aside the issue of this call for an apology - I find that trivial.
Does anyone have any opinion, on the issue of Templar survivance? Do you think that they did survive, in what form, or had any lasting impact?
Interestingly the Templars made their money by beginning a form of long range banking/credit transfer - establishing lines of credit for crusaders.
Yeah my "wiped out" was perhaps an exagerration. The leaders were executed, not every last one. But the Templars as a functioning large-scale organization with the power they had was gone.
Now is not the time to stop saying 'sorry'. The Knights Templar WERE wrongly persecuted and excoriated and they DO deserve an apology. What's suddenly so wrong with setting the record straight?
For the usual reasons...sodomy, heresy, and sacrilege. The same things that endear bishops today to the liberal media.
The sober consensus is that the charges were trumped up and that money and power issues were the real motives. If some members had strayed into homosexualism and gnostic occultism, it would not be the only instance an organization of merely human men ostensibly dedicated to lofty goals fell prey to the minstrations and temptations of evil.
"The same things that endear bishops today to the liberal media."
wow -- the truth doth sting
Priory de Sion - Switzerland. What is the symbol on the Swiss flag?
Strategerist - I read "Foucault's Pendulum" too and I agree! Every other chapter was excruciatingly dull - Eco really needed to hire an editor for that one.
But it had its moments - just miss out all the chapters to do with S American orixias. Plus there was a slightly cool bit near the end: to paraphrase - why waste your time with occultism, when you can touch Christ's Body in any Church? But Eco didn't exactly make the idea fly.
The parts where Jacopo Belbo was flashing back to WWII in his village were really pointless and dull...
Indeed, it probably could have been cut by 1/3rd.
I believe Pendulum was his first book after the surprise smash hit The Name of the Rose so perhaps they were afraid to really edit him.
It's really an encylopedia of history on all these various groups...Templars, Rosicrucians, Bavarian Illuminati, Assassins...that people get curious about.
That was then ... this is now. Enough, already!
Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list
That's a wild read. He does cover the sensationalist speculation that the Templars merged with the Assassins (in the Middle East during the Crusades) and later reappeared as the Jesuits, doesn't he? An ironic joke of sorts. Like the early Rosicrucian manifestoes. The part about the Nazi search for the kabala tattoos pointing to the directions to the subterranean entrance to Agartha (Tibet) was a howler!
Now, that's a novel that would make a bizarre film!
Well, he COVERS a lot of wild speculation without actually endorsing it.
Anyway, being a skeptic I liked the central plot twist of Pendulum. It might annoy others, though.
I am a descendant of quarrelsome peasants and minor court officers, bailiffs and such.
Bohemund: Please pray for the repose of the soul of Kenneth Coford, a POR member and economics professor who died recently of cancer at 55 years of age. He was a very good guy. Anyone else is free to join in.
The pope was on board but there is nothing to apologize for.
I'm inclined to agree
Now THERE'S a good idea....and some good possibilities...
That reminds me, I need to consolidate & clean up Grampa's Templar items.
If you check the names of the knights buried in the Templar church in London and keyword through google for family genealogies you will find lineal, blood descendants of English Templars. Some pass through lines of Sons of the American Revolution. You can find Catholic and Protestant descendants of these.
BlackElk--Will do.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.