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Posted on 11/29/2004 2:57:11 PM PST by blam
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Roger that. It would have been a little difficult for "the Vatican" to have had anything to do with this considering that it didn't exist in the 14th-century and the papacy had been removed to France in one of the manifestations of Gallicanism.
The "Church" has perpetuated more atrocities on mankind than anything other than, maybe Communism.
They used to just exterminate their opposition.
And yes, they did lie about the Templars....while they were exterminating them.
"by Picts "
Now you are really making me search the history storage areas of my brain! But that is a good thing . . . I do remember Picts . . . not much else . . .
Fortunately, my daughter is getting a VERY good education in history and western civ at an academy named for another poster . . .
The changing of the calendar was done by the revolutionists, not by Napoleon. I believe he changed it back.
"scottish rite was founded by templars "
have heard that
have not heard about a connection w. Columbus; he was a believer of Catholocism, but whether or not he had escort ships (Templar or otherwise), I have not heard.
Not even close, pal. Not even close.
If Napoleon changed the calendar back, then he (or his heirs and sucessors) should be made to apologise for THAT. Lets keep the apologies flowing.
Speaking of the DaVinci Code I'll toss in a plug for "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco.
If you really want to know a lot about the Templars and all of the famous esoteric groups of history, what is claimed about them, from a unique and skeptical perspective (don't want to give away too much of the plot) it's a great novel.
Problem is the first 50 pages or so are mind-numbingly boring. Then it gets good. It's the DaVinci Code for non-morons.
National Treasure was the first I'd heard of the Knights of the Templar. Why were they disbanded officially?
"changing of the calendar was done by the revolutionists, not by Napoleon. I believe he changed it back."
Well, SOMEONE thankfully changed it back!!
Yes, the names of the months did have a revolutionary tone about them.
Thx for the info.
And a cute little Volvo for each of them.
"Officially" the King of France wiped them out claiming they were a bunch of Satan-worshipping homosexuals.
The real reason, as has been mentioned, is that they'd gotten too powerful and wealthy. The concentration of wealth they had was really beyond belief.
You are probably getting the Cathars, mixed up with the Templars, (a common error, yet odd, no apparent historical link.)
The Templars were not exterminated, their leaders were executed by the King of France. The others, disbanded by the Church, were sometimes ordered to do penance, but otherwise reassigned to different forms of religious life.
Many Templars didn't like this deal, and fled. A minority went as far as the Islamic world, where they lived on as advisors to Sultans. In Spain, although the order was supressed, the Church gave them pensions.
Back to the real Quest...
P.S.
" months "
course you could not call them months, since they were not lunar based; if they had MERELY changed the names, but left the days-in-a-month alone, it would not have been so bad.
This guy says otherwise... 
You're right.
If I remember correctly, Pope Clement was one of the "anti-Popes" residing in Rome, installed by the king. The Pope/anti-Pope controversy split the Church at the time, and the anti-Pope was more a political figurehead than a religious one.
good "Pict"ure
;)
There is something about this picture that reminds me of our forces in Iraq . . .
The King of France wanted their money, so made up some garbage about them worshipping Baphomet.
Some did indeed get away: after all they weren't all in France at the time.
There are well attested Templar sites in Ethopia and (amazingly) the North American continent - including a beacon tower with measurements based upon the scottish rood (sorry can't remember where it is exactly)
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