Gallic war treasure discovered in southern France

Yahoo News ^ | Nov. 27, 2004 | AFP

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Indeed.

That was one of the fragmentary memories retained by my father of his rigorous schooling in high school Latin.

Gallium dividen en tres parte...

Something or other.

Whaddya want???

My latin's a bit rusty and I'm tired as heck.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

[Route101]

If we hadn't saved their Frog asses in WWII...It would now be in Nazi hands.....

[Salamander]

At that period of history, the Gauls were not "French".
The Franks were a Germanic race that rose to power -after- the Celtic Gauls were defeated by Rome after many years of fierce and bloody battles.

http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/WestEurope/Franks.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks
vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauls
and http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/gauls-invade-rome.htm

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The Difference Between the Celts and the Gauls



Celt is a term applied to the tribes who spread across Europe, Asia Minor and the British Isles from their homeland in south central Europe.
Most archeologists date their emergence around 800 b.c., though some feel the date sould be extended backward to 2000 b.c.
Celt comes from the Greek word Keltoi. The first evidence of its use is from quotes of the writings of the Greek historian Hecataeus of Miletus (his actual works being lost) in the later part of the 6th century b.c. and it is thought by some to be cognate with the Gothic word hildja (to fight).
Caesar says the Gauls called themselves Celtae and this is where the confusion sets in.
Gaul was a geographic area (modern France and northern Italy) and "Gauls" were the people who lived there according to the Romans.
Linguistically, the people who lived in Gaul were Celts, and this was the main distinction made by the early historians. Tacitus says of the Cotini and the Osi "(they) are not Germans: that is proved by their language, Celtic in the one case, Pannonian in the other...".
The bottom line is that there was no difference between the Celts and the Gauls, they were the same people.

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To confuse the two races insults those of us who are of Celtic descent.
We spit on "the French".

[Moonmad27]

That was my first thought - Asterix and Obelix must have been off on one of their foreign adventures at the time!

[hershey]

'Latest French fashion: multicolored head and body covers for women'-- just wait 'til those skinny models start down the runways in Paris this Spring. At least one designer will do exactly what you described. Or maybe the burkha will take the place of the traditional 'wedding dress' at the close of those fashion shows. No different from Nazi yellow 'Juden' stars.

[Cronos]

alea jacta est!

[hershey]

Those kidnapped French journalists are moving around with their captors, filming violence, murder, etc.. Maybe they're forced to do this, but who knows.

[Cronos]

CAesar wrote "The Commentaries", essentially communiques from his battles (some may say genocidal wars) in Gaul. If you study LAtin, generally you'd remember the first words (which every LAtin student learns: All Gaul is divided into three parts, one of which the Belgae inhabit, the Aquitani another, those who in their own language are called Celts, in our Gauls, the third

Or, in Latin
GALLIA est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur. Hi omnes lingua, institutis, legibus inter se differunt

http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lang/latin/CaesarsCommentariesinLatin/chap0.html

[asgardshill]

Victurus te saluto ;)

[Cronos]

Fortunately, since the invaders were French, the Romans didn't have to have to make any repairs to the Public Baths!

well, they were no more French than the Helvetians were Swiss or the Britons, English. Don't forget that Caesar committed near genocide on the Gauls (not trying to judge him -- judging the past based on modern day mores is silly) and Gaul itself was invaded many times after -- modern day Frenchies (at least the white ones) are descended from Celts, Romans, Germanics and Norsemen (tiny population on the Atlantic sea-board)

[albee]

"He said it was the first time these ceremonial musical instruments had been found in one piece. The long, bronze tubes, measuring more than two metres long, have flags on the end, four of which bear the head of a wild boar, the fifth a snake."

While the archaeologist's could not definitely identify who the flags belonged to, they were definitely certain that the flag with the SNAKE on it was surely French!

[Cronos]

they were definitely certain that the flag with the SNAKE on it was surely French!

Again: impossible. France didn't exist until the 9th century after the Holy Roman Empire was split up amongst Charles' sons. in the 1st Century BC it was Gallia, Belges, Acquitania (and Gallia included both Cisalpine Gaul -- present day Lombardy in Italy and Transalpine Gaul -- the Riviera and south east France)

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Of this thread my dad would likely say Difficile est saturam non scribere

Juvenalis would understood

[gaspar]

In a Muslim France the paintings from the Louvre would be piled in the courtyard and burnt. The effigies on the Arc de Triomphe would be smashed, Chartres would become a mosque and its stained glass windows would be broken. Ah yes, wonderful wonderful and tolerant Islam.

[Cronos]

well there is a difference between witticism and satire!

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

And a difference between witticism and smart alec but it all comes from the same well.

I looked at the world and laughed so I would not cry.

[Cronos]

Sorry, I mean the article talking about Gallic treasures and everyone trying to be smart by making the Gauls Frenchies.
ah, well, Nomina stultorum parietibus haerent, stultorum infinitus est numerus

[Jackknife]

"Musta dropped them when they were retreating...."

[JasonC]

Hey, look at it this way. It just proves that France's preferred tactic has always been to make loud noises and hope the enemy leaves them alone. A more practical course of action for a French army than actually fighting.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Spectatvm venivnt, venivnt spectentvr vt ipsae, sua cuique voluptas.

It is a mad time. If some take comfort in a joke even if it isn't quite historically correct....

:shrug:

And now I have gone from slightly blue to down right melancholy. I had better take myself off to service to rediscover some joy.