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Baby Dies in Texas After Mother Reports Cutting off Arms
TBO ^ | Nov 22, 2004

Posted on 11/22/2004 2:03:51 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

An infant died Monday after her mother called 911 to report that she had cut off the baby's arms, police said.

When authorities arrived, they found the baby with her arms severed and the mother waiting calmly with blood on her clothing, police said. The baby died at a hospital.

The 35-year-old mother, whose name was not released, was being questioned by police.

Authorities said other family members, including two school-age children, lived together in the Plano apartment.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: death; murder
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To: softengine
I had PP depression. It's a very strange feeling. I could actually feel a mental change overcoming me. I was excited and positive before the birth of my child but by the time I left the hospital I was overwhelmed with a depression that had not existed during my pregnancy. But I knew what it was and I knew it would pass. I later learned it runs in my family.
However, never did the thought of harming my child ever enter my head. Never.
What this woman has done is beyond my comprehension. Her children should be shielded from her forever. They will never be safe in her presence. How could this level of insanity ever be cured?
221 posted on 11/23/2004 6:40:17 AM PST by CaptainK
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To: JohnD9207

That is why that plea needs to be replaced by guilty but mentally ill. After the mental illness is cured or in remission through the use of appropriate medication or treatment, the rest of the sentence would be carried out at a penal facility. You get cured, you do rest of your time in the general population or on death row. No excuses.


222 posted on 11/23/2004 6:48:13 AM PST by MKM1960
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To: JohnD9207

I'm sorry about your son-in-law and his family. It sounds like in that case the psychologists were incompetent and that only exacerbated an already tragic situation. There is, however, all the difference in the world between a POS who fakes mental illness, and someone truly afflicted. In the case of this article, I think there are several victims and no criminals. It should be treated as a tragedy without desire for vengeance.


223 posted on 11/23/2004 6:55:41 AM PST by Flightdeck (Gravity and EM are the same thing)
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To: biblewonk
Ping.

More on this tragedy here.

224 posted on 11/23/2004 7:28:13 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: newgeezer

I think I'm damaged for life.


225 posted on 11/23/2004 7:40:29 AM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: biblewonk; All
UPDATE -

Texas Woman Accused of Severing Baby's Arms Charged With Capital Murder


226 posted on 11/23/2004 7:48:05 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Texas Woman Accused of Severing Baby's Arms Charged With Capital Murder


227 posted on 11/23/2004 7:50:47 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Flightdeck
There is, however, all the difference in the world between a POS who fakes mental illness, and someone truly afflicted. In the case of this article, I think there are several victims and no criminals. It should be treated as a tragedy without desire for vengeance.

I agree. I work with a couple of patients who have killed and are totally psychotic. That level of mental disfunction does exist; sad, scary but very real.

228 posted on 11/23/2004 8:11:52 AM PST by najida (Charming Andrew Dan-Jumbo can build me a cabinet any old day!)
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To: shaggy eel
",,, the baby's arms were cut off but the mother will retain her own fingers to make phonecalls from prison."

Not only that, but guessing from some of the responses, she'll be acquitted by the usual infiltrating, lurking, anti-family, socialist, feminazi victimology to murder more children. And those usual responses do appear more evil and dishonest than ever in light of the crime committed.

I wonder as to how many people know that most domestic violence is perpetrated by mothers against their own children (fact from research reports).
229 posted on 11/23/2004 8:41:53 AM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Smokin' Joe

There are many drugs and drug combinations which will induce a drug psychosis. Hundreds of adverse reactions to hundreds of drugs. I cannot even speculate without knowing more specifics. However even drugs which are not considered psychotropic drugs can do this. However if I were to bet, this is an illicit drug/alcohol abuser who went over the top. The thing that seems to have changed so radically is the vicious nature of hurting little kids. It is so far beyond getting a whipping for doing something when I was a kid. A decision to cut of a childs arms is so definitive and barbaric. It isn't a random thought like, "today I'll cut off my 11 month old child's arms." There is clarity of purpose. It wasn't her finger or fingers or toes or other appendage. The arms were taken off and that conscious decision is a perplexing one. Even to kill the child seems to be a less dreadful act that cutting off the baby's arms. Think of what this woman must have been thinking. Even shooters, like these 2 Mohammud and the 17 year old, were random in their kiling. Ruthless and without remorse, but not a design "I will kill this person, or I will torture in such-and-such a manner" I remember once receiving a child in the emergency room. The 15 month old baby had been immersed in scalding hot water up to its armpits. That is where the stepfathers hands were holding the baby and he could not tolerate the pain. There was a circumlinear ring around the childs torso and burned with partial thickness burns (2nd degree) the entire lower portion of the body. This is a common type of torture well documented in trauma literature. Cruelty and mutilations have always occurred to the innocent, but there seems to be so much more these days. It may be an expression of population density induced anxiety, or envy, or a desire to get out of one's personal situation, mostly drug induced altered states of consciousness releasing inhibitions that are normally present, and then there are some who are just plain mean. In our society it seems there is more anger and more expressed anger. We drive down the road and someone cuts in front of you and you get angry but keep it in check. Some do not keep it in check and pull out a gun and start shooting. I remember on Valentines Day about 1991 I received a middle aged man in the ER with a gunshot would to the abdomen (self inflicted).I also received a 24 year old female who was DOA. I took the man to the OR and repaired the stomach, pancreas, several perforations in the small bowel and transverse colon, and did a diversionary colostomy on him. He progressed well. The story is that he caught his girl friend in bed with another man. He left the house and ruminated on it and began seething. He had been in a dispute with his sisters over inheriting a chicken house (that is where farmers raise thousands of chickens in one large chicken house. I don't know why I felt I had to explain what a chickenhouse is). He decided to settle all scores and took a 30-30 rifle and went to his sisters house and got in an arguement and shot her. Then he went into the house and killed his brother-in-law. He tried, 3 am , to find the man his girlfriend was shacking with and could not. By that time he knew his girfrient was at work so he went to the warehouse where she worked and shot her in the back twice. He then turned the rifle on him and shot himself. He is the only one who lived. Now I tell you this story to say this. About 4-5 days after his surgery I asked him what provoked him to this. He was a quiet,somewhat shy fellow who told me "I was having a bad day and decided to settle all scores". He had been drinking and smoking marijuana. I believe these chemicals removed normal inhibitions built into all of us, and allowed him to act on these impulses. These kinds of conscious decisions seem to be occurring at an ever increasing rate of occurrance. It used to be pleasant to see patients in the office. Now everyone is pissed off. There seems to have come a bitter resentment of many peoples station in life or opportunities to have settled over the country. President Bush (41) referred to it when lamented he wanted a kinder, gentler, America. My country has lost an innocents and a goodness. Not all people, but many. De Toqueville was right about the goodness of a nation. It worries me for posterity. I am what I am and that is settled. But what kind of world will we leave to our children. We have this repreave with W. But who comes after him. Heaven help us if Hillary Clinton and her moral compass guides this nation.


230 posted on 11/23/2004 8:49:37 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

How long, oh Lord?


231 posted on 11/23/2004 9:02:53 AM PST by MEGoody (Way to go, America! 4 more years!)
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To: Texas Songwriter
15 month old baby had been immersed in scalding hot water up to its armpits.

That gave me a nasty flash back to the last ambulance call I ran, and that baby had only had her arm dunked in the pot. After that, I stuck to the Fire Engines, We still saw plenty of messes, especially 10-50's, but somehow it was not as bad.

Don't sweat that, it was a long time ago and has been dealt with.

It seems to me that many of these drugs cannot be quit cold turkey without some adverse effects. Without some supervision to at least make sure the meds are there, anyone taking such a substance is a potential serious risk to themselves and others. Klebold and Harris (Columbine) had been medicated, as had Kip Kinkel (involved in an Oregon, HS shooting). With more medicated people out there, we are seeing more of this. I am not sure if it is the drugs while present in their system, although that is one instance, but stopping them may be as bad.

I make no claim to be an expert, but I'd exhaust EVERY possibility before putting any child on meds, although that seems to be the trend. Amazingly, diet seems to be a factor, and good parenting, (really caring and spending time with your kids) another, in not having problems. It seems like 'mother's little helper' (Rolling Stones song) has run amok, taking the place of bothering to care for kids, self, the elderly. That is the sad part of our culture, that we are caught up in the pursuit of things, when the contributions we make to our kids are the greatest thing we will do in this life==if we make them.

232 posted on 11/23/2004 9:05:52 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm all FOR Global Warming! Bring it ON!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; shaggy eel
That woman cut her baby's arms off and murdered her, because she was encouraged to do so by our culture that has been saturated with endless feminist babble for over 150 years. ...ceaseless yakking rhetoric filled with anecdotes about victim witches--the same kind of rambling rhetoric that we see from our Democrat opposition.

Address to the Legislature of New York
by Elizabeth Cady Stanton
1854
http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/speeches/stanton_ny_legislature.html

[Elizabeth Cady Stanton arguing in favor of acqitting murdering moms and blaming their husbands.]
"Shall the frenzied mother who, to save herself and child from exposure and disgrace, ended the life that had but just begun, be dragged before such a tribunal to answer for her crime? How can man enter into the feelings of that mother? How can he judge of the mighty agonies of soul that impelled her to such an outrage of maternal instincts? How can he weigh the mountain of sorrow that crushed that mother's heart when she wildly tossed her helpless babe into the cold waters of the midnight sea? Where is he who by false vows thus blasted this trusting woman? Had that helpless child no claims on his protection? Ah, he is freely abroad in the dignity of manhood, in the pulpit, on the bench, in the professor's chair."

Thus, we see many responses full of concern for the witch but none for the baby. There is nothing worse than a society of goddess worshipping pagans.
233 posted on 11/23/2004 9:13:33 AM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

She's so stupid, she could have gone to planned parenthood a few weeks before the birth and had the baby cut to pieces and flushed with no problem. I guess "timing is everything."


234 posted on 11/23/2004 9:19:03 AM PST by patriot_wes
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To: Smokin' Joe

I agree with your view of prescribing drugs. I feel we should prescribe about 10 percent of the drugs now prescribed. With all the good modern medicine affords, it is a big part of the problem today for many unusual behaviors. I do not accept that they are a valid excuse for such behaviors. A sick little secret in medicine is when you are seeing someone and they drone on and on and on the doctor (who is a person too) has his eyes glaze over and often seek an exit. The quickest way to do this is to write a prescription and get out of the room, rather than reasoning with a patient. It is many a patient I have gotten angry with me for not writing the script. I am lucky, though, because in the field I am in, I fix things and people get better (surgery). If your practice requires a large volume of patients, you are trying to herd them through like cattle through a chute. This is part of the problem. Look at commercials today telling people to gol in and ask your doctor to prescribe this or that drug. It's like they demand a reward for coming in. Some do the same on a street corner. It's like Willy Nelson said in his song from "Electric Horseman", 'when it seems the whole world is spinning of in space."


235 posted on 11/23/2004 9:21:03 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: All

She lives in an apartment building.....no one heard this baby screaming??

I can hear the kid down the street who's INSIDE his house....from INSIDE my house. No windows or doors open on either of our houses.


236 posted on 11/23/2004 9:27:00 AM PST by bonfire
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To: Texas Songwriter
Doctors don't prescribe drugs because it might be good for us. They prescribe drugs because the pharmaceutical companies give them all expense paid golf trips and all sorts of rewards for prescribing their drugs.
My mother is now suffering from all the side effects of all the drugs she's had prescribed to her in her lifetime...for every little ailment.
Proper nutrition will heal many many things....Chinese medicine has been around for over 5000 years. I know many Asians who don't even take aspirin. Acupuncture has an amazing way of curing everything from the common cold to liver dysfunction.
It's true that depression can be caused by a chemical imbalance...but that chemical imbalance can be cured through nutrition,natural herbs and acupuncture. The drugs they prescribe now don't CURE anything...they mask the problems or exacerbate the problems.

Even Jim Carrey said this week that none of the prescribed antidepressants helped him. They said it actually made things worse. The only thing that worked for him is to get off caffeine, drugs and alcohol and get in touch with His higher power.
237 posted on 11/23/2004 9:32:25 AM PST by sonserae
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To: familyop
Ah, he is freely abroad in the dignity of manhood, in the pulpit, on the bench, in the professor's chair."

,,, it seems judgement is passed easily enough after all, but not on those who've murdered.

238 posted on 11/23/2004 11:48:53 AM PST by shaggy eel
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To: bonfire

Amazing when one considers the individual in CA who smelled the smoke of the cigarette from a person in his house (windows closed) three blocks away.


239 posted on 11/23/2004 12:26:43 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: newgeezer
Schlosser was hospitalized, and later agreed to seek counseling and saw a psychiatrist, Gonzales said.

"At the time we closed the case, we had been assured that Mom was stabilized

The comments in bold are the ones that bother me... it speaks of drugs rather than treating the hormonal issues that cause PPD in the first place -- in other words a placebo treatment instead of treating the cause of the problem...

240 posted on 11/23/2004 12:47:45 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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