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To: Racehorse

Pre-Christian morality?? What a lie! Augustus and Tiberius, the rulers in Christ's day, were decidedly and legislatively anti-homosexual. Moses' statements against homosexuality are clear and unequivocal: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." And that was in 1400 B.C., and I do mean B.C.. Even older capital consequences are found in the legal codes of India, Egypt, and Mesopotamia. In every culture I know of and certainly among the barbarians, homosexuality was severely censured and punishable by death. Even in Hellenic Greece and Silver Age Rome, it was a vice primarily of those who had lost their religion (as it is today). Too much education coupled with too little intelligence, too much time coupled with too little talent (to utilize that time), and/or too much liberty (with one's minions) coupled with too little responsibility are among the many prods of mental aberrations. Homosexuality and other full-blown mental illnesses are rife in such situations, and such were the situations in Hellenic Greece, Silver Age Rome, Turn-of-the-Twentieth-Century Britain, and contemporary America. It is not tolerant to confirm the insane in their insanity; it is but a cruel jest. Yet, psychologists who know better must keep silent or lose their accreditation. If Stone actually understands ancient history, then he is culpable. Honestly, though, I think he really is so very ignorant.


25 posted on 11/18/2004 2:25:10 PM PST by Leonine
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To: Leonine
It is not tolerant to confirm the insane in their insanity; it is but a cruel jest. Yet, psychologists who know better must keep silent or lose their accreditation.

Or, they might suffer the fate of Charles Socarides, whose only crime was he chaired the American Psychiatric Associations peer committee on homosexuality when gay activists successfully lobbied the APA to remove homosexuality from the diagnostic manual.  For decades afterwards, Socarides has been hounded whenever and wherever he publicly speaks.

Some may be interested in reading his How America Went Gay, from which the following is taken:

My wife, Clare, who has an unerring aptitude for getting to the heart of things, said one day recently in passing, "I think everybody's being brainwashed." That gave me a start. I know "brainwashing" is a term that has been used and overused. But my wife's casual observation only reminded me of a brilliant tract I had read several years ago and then forgotten. It was called After the Ball: How America Will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990's, by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen.

That book turned out to be the blueprint gay activists would use in their campaign to normalize the abnormal through a variety of brainwashing techniques once catalogued by Robert Jay Lifton in his seminal work, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of Brainwashing in China.

In their book Kirk and Madsen urged that gay activists adopt the very strategies that helped change the political face of the largest nation on earth. The authors knew the techniques had worked in China. All they needed was enough media-and enough money-to put them to work in the United States. And they did. These activists got the media and the money to radicalize America-by processes known as desensitization, jamming and conversion.

They would desensitize the public by selling the notion that gays were "just like everyone else." This would make the engine of prejudice run out of steam, i.e., lull straights into an attitude of indifference.

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The best thing about this technique, according to Kirk and Madsen: The bigot did not even have to believe he was a loathsome creature

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Finally-this was the process they called conversion-Kirk and Madsen predicted a mass public change of heart would follow, even among bigots, "if we can actually make them like us." They wrote, "Conversion aims at just this...conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media."

26 posted on 11/18/2004 3:14:34 PM PST by Racehorse
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To: Leonine
"Too much education coupled with too little intelligence"

Lets not confuse intelligence with wisdom. Plenty of Ph.Ds are smart..but only 10% are WISE.

46 posted on 11/26/2004 12:15:00 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Leonine
Pre-Christian morality, yup the disgust with male homosexuality is definitely not just a Christan thing. The pre-christan Romans were very anti-homosexual, to the point of putting to death any outed homosexuals in their military.
47 posted on 11/26/2004 12:26:06 PM PST by jpsb
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