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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

> why haven't the other apelike critters that run evolved into our physical structure?

Because they fit nicely into the niche they were in. Humans and human ancestors found a new niche that was at the time unfilled, or at least open to exploitation.

> We are separated genetically from the other primates

Yes, that's what a few million years of divergent evolution will get you.

> we never can evolve beyond our limits

Correct. We evolve to current limits, and either prosper, perish, or evolve *around* those limits.


44 posted on 11/17/2004 11:48:20 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
"Yes, that's what a few million years of divergent evolution will get you."

So assumes the evolutionist. It could also be that the genetic lines were separate at their creation, that we did not evolve from some singular, original life form. Entropy would suggest that, given the variables and chances, life would have devolved from that original life form, rather than having evolved. Evolution, therefore, implies an intelligent design, even from their claimed inception in that original "accidental" life form.
92 posted on 11/17/2004 1:00:04 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: orionblamblam
Correct. We evolve to current limits, and either prosper, perish, or evolve *around* those limits. This is exactly the problem most of evolution has. There has not yet be any evidence of evolution *around* those limits. The entire theory is built on that premise but so for it has nothing to support it except similar features in many species. The problem is all our understanding on genetics shows that for a species to leap that boundary there has to be several independent mutations at the same time in the same creature and then that creature has to reproduce. Genetic study can't get around that yet or they would have declared evolution 'proven'. Until they can bridge that amazing improbability with something other than 'given billions of years it will happen' then it will remain an unprovable theory.
182 posted on 11/18/2004 8:38:08 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: orionblamblam

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Because they fit nicely into the niche they were in. Humans and human ancestors found a new niche that was at the time unfilled, or at least open to exploitation.
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FOUND a new niche? Evolution is blind; there's no "finding" at all. Besides, the niche is empty again. Our technology has made it obsolete to us. We should be seeing selection pressures pushing for speciation into this niche once again according to the theory.

Heck, we should be seeing selection pressure pushing into the niche REGARDLESS of whether it is filled or not. A less successful form will exist for a time, then go extinct, a more successful form will supplant what's in the niche now. Just because a niche is full doesn't mean selection suddenly stops working.

Of course, we should be seeing speciation all over the place in the biosphere (study the mathematics of continual processes and population sampling to find out why) and we don't, but try to put that in a textbook in some school somewhere and the screaming hordes of "scientists" will come out and burn you at the stake.


240 posted on 11/18/2004 11:52:15 AM PST by frgoff
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