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Crazy Horse strip club draws ire over name
modbee ^ | 10-14-04

Posted on 10/14/2004 1:03:20 PM PDT by LouAvul

SIOUX FALLS, South Dakota (AP) - Descendants of the storied American Indian warrior Crazy Horse want an upscale Paris strip club to stop using his name, saying it's disrespectful to him and his offspring. The nightclub, Crazy Horse Paris, was established in 1951 and is well-known for adult entertainment similar to that featured at casinos in Las Vegas. It's located near the Champs-Elysees, the Seine River and the Pont de l'Alma bridge, where Lady Diana was killed.

Crazy Horse was an Oglala Sioux warrior known for fighting the U.S. military in the 1800s. One of his descendants and an executor of his estate, Harvey White Woman, has written club owners, asking that they change the name.

He said the request was prompted by an HBO cable television special that featured the club and its dancers wearing what looked to be feathered headdresses, a revered native symbol.

"I saw the name and I said, 'That's not right.' When you say the name Crazy Horse, you don't conjure up nightclubs. You conjure up the warrior," he said in a telephone interview from his home in Kyle on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

White Woman said he decided to write the club before taking legal action, something Crazy Horse's descendants have done in the past.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: americanindians; crazyhorse; crazywhiteindian; france
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White Woman said he

Michael Jackson?

1 posted on 10/14/2004 1:03:20 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Well, Broken Rubber, let me tell you the story of how you got your name...


2 posted on 10/14/2004 1:05:10 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Please quote me. I am an Unimpeachable Source.)
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To: LouAvul
Descendants of the storied American Indian warrior Crazy Horse want an upscale Paris strip club to stop using his name, saying it's disrespectful to him and his offspring.

Let's analyze this first. Is the mascot for this strip club a charicature of an Indian or a horse? If the former, they might have a fair gripe. If the latter, they have no legitimate gripe at all.

It's pretty conceited of the Sioux to think they have exclusive rights to the phrase "Crazy Horse" anyway.

3 posted on 10/14/2004 1:06:34 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: LouAvul

cue sarcasm:

Perhaps John Kerry now has a good reason for a summit with the French. Clearly their advanced sensitivity, utter humanity and emancipated secularism will rise to the occasion and they'll retitle the club Chirac Horsey House.

Or maybe Moulin Rouge?

end sarcasm mode


4 posted on 10/14/2004 1:06:47 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Having a human friend is no bed of roses)
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To: LouAvul
Harvey White Woman

I don't guess there's any need to point out that this name offends me...

5 posted on 10/14/2004 1:06:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Will work for cough syrup...)
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To: freedumb2003

Damn Human-chauvanists! Couldn't this club have been named after a horse?


6 posted on 10/14/2004 1:07:21 PM PDT by Sociopathocracy
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To: freedumb2003
Well, Broken Rubber, let me tell you the story of how you got your name...

And then maybe you can talk to my brother, Two Dogs F...ing

7 posted on 10/14/2004 1:07:21 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: LouAvul

Ugh.


8 posted on 10/14/2004 1:07:45 PM PDT by Fury
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To: freedumb2003

I don't think many French know who Crazy Horse is. If it was a strip club in Sioux Falls, SD, ok, I can see that. But in Paris? Maybe Jacques can introduce a UN resolution for this?


9 posted on 10/14/2004 1:07:59 PM PDT by huskers2004 (Intuitive improvisation is the secret of genius.)
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To: LouAvul
First they ruined the best malt liquor ever, Crazy Horse, now they want to go after the strip club.

Screw them.

10 posted on 10/14/2004 1:09:06 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: LouAvul

Ummm ... This is a parody, right?


11 posted on 10/14/2004 1:09:07 PM PDT by Earl B.
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To: Corin Stormhands

It's been open since 1951...

...and just now they are offended?

I think this just proves this 'political correct' jargon concerning the Sioux and other Indians (and yes, I use that word deliberately) is all a bunch of hogwash.


12 posted on 10/14/2004 1:09:12 PM PDT by Lightfinger
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To: Prime Choice

Well, they use feathered head-dresses, so do you think it's a horse they are referring to in the name, or the Indian?

However, seeing as this is in France, I'd suggest the Sioux forget it and just ignore it. How anyone could take anything seriously the french do is beyond me...


13 posted on 10/14/2004 1:09:16 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("I don't worry about Muggers. My biggest fear is Poachers." - Elizabeth Edwards)
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To: Prime Choice

It's even dumber to think they can influence a bar in PARIS. Talk about too much time on your hands....


14 posted on 10/14/2004 1:09:53 PM PDT by Shryke
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To: LouAvul

This is from The Onion - right?


15 posted on 10/14/2004 1:10:10 PM PDT by RtWngr
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To: LouAvul

I just figured Neil Young's old band was headlining there...


16 posted on 10/14/2004 1:10:33 PM PDT by Akira (Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other.)
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To: Lightfinger

I live in Virginia. The politically correct term here, according to the tribes themselves is "American Indian."


17 posted on 10/14/2004 1:10:53 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Will work for cough syrup...)
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To: LouAvul

This is from The Onion - right?


18 posted on 10/14/2004 1:11:24 PM PDT by RtWngr
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To: Corin Stormhands

I wouldn't call that the "politically correct" term, so much as it is what is preferred over the P.C. "Native American" which was a pretty stupid label made up by pretty stupid people.

American Indian works just fine for me - it puts America first. ;0)


19 posted on 10/14/2004 1:12:27 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("I don't worry about Muggers. My biggest fear is Poachers." - Elizabeth Edwards)
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To: LouAvul

For a primer on how to refer to Native Americans, please consult HBO's Deadwood when the new season starts.


20 posted on 10/14/2004 1:13:24 PM PDT by RtWngr
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To: LouAvul

I guess the name of the dead Indian is so sacred that it's been copyrighted and trademarked?


21 posted on 10/14/2004 1:13:35 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: LouAvul

Crazy Horse, I thought it referred to Mr. Ed? LOL
Ops4 God BLess America!


22 posted on 10/14/2004 1:13:38 PM PDT by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: LouAvul
Harvey White Woman -- definitely a sKerry supporter. (New York "Indian" maybe?)
23 posted on 10/14/2004 1:15:28 PM PDT by quark
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To: stand watie

Pinging...

Your thoughts?


24 posted on 10/14/2004 1:15:41 PM PDT by RebelBanker (Now I understand! "Allah" is Arabic for "Satan.")
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I wouldn't call that the "politically correct" term,

Point taken. I should've said the "preferred term."

25 posted on 10/14/2004 1:17:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Will work for cough syrup...)
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To: Phantom Lord
First they ruined the best malt liquor ever, Crazy Horse

I still am the proud owner of a Crazy Horse malt liquor t0-shirt. My wife wants me to toss, as it is over 12 years old. I tell it's a collector's item Crazy Horse was voted the worst product for the year 1992 by Time magazine.

26 posted on 10/14/2004 1:17:22 PM PDT by bigeasy_70118
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To: RtWngr
For a primer on how to refer to Native Americans, please consult HBO's Deadwood when the new season starts.

So, is this what you are referring to, or something else?

“Not the U.S. government saying I’m trespassing. Or the savage f***ing red man himself,”

27 posted on 10/14/2004 1:18:06 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("I don't worry about Muggers. My biggest fear is Poachers." - Elizabeth Edwards)
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To: Corin Stormhands

as a mentally deranged equine, I am insulted by this strip clubs name.


28 posted on 10/14/2004 1:18:26 PM PDT by escapefromboston (green lantern returns!)
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To: bigeasy_70118

I loved Crazy Horse. Nothing would get you drunker quicker. And it would get you REAL F'ed UP!


29 posted on 10/14/2004 1:18:44 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: LouAvul; XJarhead
I'm disappointed in the Sioux for deciding to change their name to the Sue. Paris isn't America -- if you sioux in a French Court, you'll just lose your feathers.

My advice to the Sioux is to put on the War Paint, leave the reservation, and take your bows and arrows and horses to France. Ten drunken Sioux on horseback armed with bows and arrows can take Paris in about two hours. Then you can raid the Crazy Horse, scalp all of the American Tourists, grab the nekkid French Dancers and take them back to the reservation. Then, and only then, will people stop messing with the Sioux and other proud Native Americans.

One thing I almost forgot -- Sioux, you'll need to "scalp" the French Dancers also, albeit not on their heads.

30 posted on 10/14/2004 1:20:29 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Did you notice that he was too cowardly to spell it out?


31 posted on 10/14/2004 1:20:32 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (The police never think it's as funny as you do.)
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To: Phantom Lord
I loved Crazy Horse. Nothing would get you drunker quicker. And it would get you REAL F'ed UP!

Who says conservatives don't know how to party?

32 posted on 10/14/2004 1:20:59 PM PDT by bigeasy_70118
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To: Corin Stormhands
The politically correct term here, according to the tribes themselves is "American Indian."

I'm so confused - I thought "American Indian" referred to the guys running 7-11s who got their Green Cards.

33 posted on 10/14/2004 1:22:59 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: Lightfinger

Thye finally figured out that Crazy Horse was braver than any 10 Frenchmen.

I'd be PO'd too if the French were using the name of one of the people I based my Heritage on


34 posted on 10/14/2004 1:23:12 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: LouAvul
Harvey White Woman

Wow a name that is both raciest and sexist.

35 posted on 10/14/2004 1:23:59 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: LouAvul
Did they complain about the not one, but two, Crazy Horse strip clubs in Vegas?
36 posted on 10/14/2004 1:24:17 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

People seem to forget that after the U.S. Government made a Treaty with the Sioux Nation regarding the Black Hills and environs which was supposed to last "until the river no longer runs", word about gold in the hills spread, and the town of "Deadwood" was, basically, an illegal squatter's camp on what was land belonging to the Indians based on the aforementioned treaty.

Then, those mean bad Indians got ticked and went on the warpath. Why would they do something like that to the poor defenseless harmless well-meaning whites who settled the area? They should have just bent over and taken it I guess.


37 posted on 10/14/2004 1:24:50 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("I don't worry about Muggers. My biggest fear is Poachers." - Elizabeth Edwards)
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To: LouAvul
One of his descendants and an executor of his estate, Harvey White Woman...

Hmmmm, it sounds like Crazy Horse may have started a casino.

On the other hand, that's kind of hypocritical to complain about someone using the apparently Indian name Crazy Horse when he uses the name White Woman.

But isn't there a tradition that you name your kids what you first see when they are born?

38 posted on 10/14/2004 1:26:11 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: freedumb2003

LOLOLOL!! Best laugh I've had today (that should tell you what kind of a day I've had...) Thanks, f.


39 posted on 10/14/2004 1:26:26 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: You Dirty Rats

first they have to stop the lap dances then "scalp 'em"


40 posted on 10/14/2004 1:26:28 PM PDT by markman46
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To: Syncro

See my #2 (and replies) ;)


41 posted on 10/14/2004 1:28:06 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Please quote me. I am an Unimpeachable Source.)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

Must be a veeery rough day there!


42 posted on 10/14/2004 1:28:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Please quote me. I am an Unimpeachable Source.)
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To: LouAvul
Crazy Horse
43 posted on 10/14/2004 1:28:40 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Syncro
But isn't there a tradition that you name your kids what you first see when they are born?

No. Every American Indian tribe has slightly different naming traditions. In many, a true name is not given until after a baby is born, not until the child reaches puberty in some cases. In other tribes, babies must be given names from their parents' own family or clan. Traditional American Indian names are often spiritually divined, unique to each individual, and/or related to an accomplishment, rite of passage, dream, or life event.

44 posted on 10/14/2004 1:29:44 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("I don't worry about Muggers. My biggest fear is Poachers." - Elizabeth Edwards)
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45 posted on 10/14/2004 1:30:56 PM PDT by TheBigB (OPEN YOUR EYES, Clark Kent! You belong with CHLOE!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Any quote from Al Swearengen will do nicely.


46 posted on 10/14/2004 1:31:46 PM PDT by RtWngr
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Indeed. How dare they fight back? How dare they expect the U.S. Government to keep its word?

In any case, I find the bigotry these type of threads inevitably reveal very disturbing. If we were talking about black Americans, a good share of posts on FR would be pulled.



47 posted on 10/14/2004 1:32:08 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (The police never think it's as funny as you do.)
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To: RtWngr

So, you admire his hatred, then? Is that what you are saying?


48 posted on 10/14/2004 1:33:38 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("I don't worry about Muggers. My biggest fear is Poachers." - Elizabeth Edwards)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
In any case, I find the bigotry these type of threads inevitably reveal very disturbing. If we were talking about black Americans, a good share of posts on FR would be pulled.

True. Sigh...

49 posted on 10/14/2004 1:34:26 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks ("I don't worry about Muggers. My biggest fear is Poachers." - Elizabeth Edwards)
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To: RtWngr

What are you waiting for? Give us one. Be a man.


50 posted on 10/14/2004 1:34:47 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (The police never think it's as funny as you do.)
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