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MEN FROM EARLY MIDDLE AGES WERE NEARLY AS TALL AS MODERN PEOPLE
eurekalert.com ohio state university ^ | Richard Steckel

Posted on 09/01/2004 12:02:19 PM PDT by ckilmer

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To: 2banana

A lot of surviving armors were built for nobles as teens who subsequently outgrew them. Most combat tested armors were either salvaged for new suits, distributed among inheritence, or scrapped. The common landed knight in the high and late middle ages would have been indistiguishable in modern Europe in terms of height. What this study suggests is that even peasants and craftsmen would have had a good diet and healthy lifestyle. That's a new thought for sure.


21 posted on 09/01/2004 12:27:57 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: T Minus Four
This is common knowledge, right? The Little Ice Age ended in about 1800. At which point, the Earth started coming out of the Ice Age and entered upon a warming trend which would be expected to last for several centuries, and then be replaced by a cooling trend, and a new Ice Age (big or little). This the pattern. It's been repeated many times. We have tons of evidence for it.

And STILL they shout Global Warming and blame modern industry!

22 posted on 09/01/2004 12:29:53 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column)
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To: ckilmer

I will rewrite the title as understood by a typical college freshman

Middle Aged Men are Nearly as Tall and Modern


23 posted on 09/01/2004 12:31:04 PM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: Prost1

The door thing is brought up a lot, but if you lived in a climate with very cold winters, you would want a shorter door to keep in more heat. People just ducked a bit coming into and out of houses. (Another reason that hats were taken off before entering a house.)


24 posted on 09/01/2004 12:31:20 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: cripplecreek

You are early middle age, how many do you know at 78 who have yet half their lives to live?


25 posted on 09/01/2004 12:31:30 PM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: 2banana

"Does not sound right - every knight's armor I have ever seen is built for smaller men - and they would have been the ones to live a "good" life."

The "good" life even for nobility in 1400 was pretty grim, in regards to diet.

Also practically all the armour one sees in museums (the typical full plate variety) is from the 1400s & 1500s. You're right too, the average hight of a suit of armour then was maybe 5'6"

Armour for 900-1200 was mostly chain mail with leather or metal breast plates and such--very little remains of it as well.

King Arthur (ca. AD 500) would not have recognized the typical armour he's portrayed in, as its actually 1000 years off...


26 posted on 09/01/2004 12:32:07 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: ckilmer

Interesting -- ping for later reading.


27 posted on 09/01/2004 12:32:42 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: reed13

That's preposterous. Wheat vs. Rice.

You don't need to go to China. Go to Europe. People in Northern Europe like the Dutch, Scandinavians, Scots, etc. are a couple of inches taller than the Spaniards, Italians, Portugeuse, etc.

You take any animal, and you'll find the members of the same species living at higher latitudes to be bigger in size.

Or hell, just look here in America. Ever wonder why Native Americans here in the states are often 6'+, but amongst Mexicans of predominantly Indian blood 6 footers are rare? Same phenomenon.

Of course, there are exceptions to this rule. Eskimos tend to be short and stocky, which helps hold in heat at the extreme latitudes. And certain tribes in Africa are very tall, but unlike the tall Northern Europeans, their height is an alternate adaptation, and that is to dissipate body heat through their thin limbs.


28 posted on 09/01/2004 12:34:18 PM PDT by Garuda82
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To: 2banana

Same here.
Look at the uniforms from the war between the States.

The little bodies had very thin shoulders and were so tiny.

I, being 5'6", could never have worn them. I know some of the soldiers were very young, but some of the uniforms we've seen, were that of officers.

The only way I could measure, was according to our own family.


29 posted on 09/01/2004 12:34:59 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: ckilmer

bump for middle ages atkins eaters.


30 posted on 09/01/2004 12:35:27 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: 2banana

Full armour was only used in the late middle ages. The armour of the time 9th to 11th centuries was generally chain mail. Think Crusaders.


31 posted on 09/01/2004 12:37:04 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

They didn't shrink the people to put them in the coffins...
Nor did they lower the ceilings just so I could stand (5'6") but my friends had to bend...


32 posted on 09/01/2004 12:38:03 PM PDT by Prost1 (Why isn't Berger in jail?)
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To: Prost1

Various sources give Charlemagne's height as 6'+ to 6'6". What is your source for 5.5'?


33 posted on 09/01/2004 12:39:10 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: wideawake

Size does matter....eat meat!!


34 posted on 09/01/2004 12:39:32 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: ckilmer
These factors include climate change; the growth of cities and the resulting spread of communicable diseases; changes in political structures; and changes in agricultural production.

The people those Vikings were plundering were probably less well-fed and shorter.

35 posted on 09/01/2004 12:40:16 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Prost1

What is the average height for American men today?


36 posted on 09/01/2004 12:43:21 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: ckilmer

read later


37 posted on 09/01/2004 12:45:25 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

5'9" for all men.

5'9.5" for young men (18-25) on those doctor's height charts.


38 posted on 09/01/2004 12:45:36 PM PDT by Garuda82
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To: Gator113

height is genreally related to two major factors:

1. High protein intake. It is possible that at the time, hunting was still used to obtain food and this would generally result in a larger individual.

2. Lack of chronic disease is the most important factor. IT appears that the people of that age were fairly healthy. This was probably due to a lack of large population centers that would be the centers of disease.

Men in the the 1790s were as tall as those of WWII, according to Army records. Between those times we got smaller as our cities developed due to the influx of immigrants.

A Good discussion of this is in the "The Fourth Great Awakening".


39 posted on 09/01/2004 12:46:56 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Evidence, schmevidence. It's all about feeeeeeeelings.


40 posted on 09/01/2004 12:47:02 PM PDT by T Minus Four (From the Holy City of Hill Air Force Base, Utah)
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