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S. Korean Unlikely to Get Gymnastics Gold
Freak Press ^ | Aug 22, 12:58 PM EDT | EDDIE PELLS

Posted on 08/22/2004 10:24:22 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought

S. Korean Unlikely to Get Gymnastics Gold

By EDDIE PELLS AP Sports Writer

ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- The satisfaction of knowing they should have won gymnastics gold might be all the South Koreans get. While the country's Olympic team met with lawyers Sunday to plan its appeal over the medal given to American Paul Hamm, the Court of Arbitration for Sport indicated it won't take the case.

Hamm won the all-around title Wednesday after judges incorrectly scored Yang Tae-young's parallel bars routine, failing to give him enough points for the level of difficulty. Yang ended up with the bronze.

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KEYWORDS: olympics; usteam
Upon hearing the news, Presidential candidate and hero John Kerry called American Paul Hamm to offer his congratulations for "winning" the gold.
1 posted on 08/22/2004 10:24:23 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: School of Rational Thought

I dunno. If there was a mistake, a real mistake, it should be corrected. And it does seem there was a real mistake.


2 posted on 08/22/2004 10:28:42 AM PDT by HarryCaul
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They should give this guy the Gold, and let Hamm keep his... and the 4th place finisher, give him a Bronze... seems like common sense to me...


3 posted on 08/22/2004 10:29:51 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: School of Rational Thought

Three words: Roy Jones, Junior.


4 posted on 08/22/2004 10:32:55 AM PDT by RichInOC (...somebody had to say it...why not me?)
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To: School of Rational Thought
What a bunch of irrational nonsense. They are saying it was supposed to be judged higher based on some criteria before the actual performance. Libnastics.
5 posted on 08/22/2004 10:41:40 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: School of Rational Thought
I predict that before the Olympics end, Paul Hamm will make the gesture of giving his gold medal to the other gymnast in a demonstration of the American spirit.
6 posted on 08/22/2004 10:47:06 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Nah, he is keeping his medal.


7 posted on 08/22/2004 10:48:16 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Jim_Curtis
What a bunch of irrational nonsense

I'm not so sure. They are supposed to be judged against a "level of difficulty." The Korean was supposed to judged against a difficulty level of 10. He was not, instead he was judged against 9.9. And that was the difference. Had he been judged against a 10, he would have won the gold.

Screw ups all around, to be sure. What I don't understand is why did his team let him start the event. Don't they confirm all this before they start?

I think the guy got screwed. They need a "Upon further review..." system to correct errors like this.

LVM

8 posted on 08/22/2004 10:49:48 AM PDT by LasVegasMac (Quick, vote for The French One, before he changes his mind and votes for GWB.)
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To: School of Rational Thought
If Hamm is smart and after all the rulings are handed down, he should get together with the 2 Korea gymnasts & offer to swap medals. It would be a great gesture of sportsmanship & Hamm would get tremendous press for it. I know he worked hard for it, and the comback from the vault was heroic, but the Judges' error gave Hamm the gold and an asterix.

What's more valuable to Hamm: the Gold, or a Silver with a huge celebrity bump?

The only obstacle is that the Korean with the Silver would have to be willing to accept the Bronze. Don't know if he'd do that. Also, the governing bodies might suspend the gymnasts for such an unsanctioned deal.

I don't like this "give both a Gold". That was BS when they did it with the figure skaters, and it would be BS now. There can only be one winner.

9 posted on 08/22/2004 10:51:46 AM PDT by Tallguy (If Clinton did a good job stopping the Millenium Bomber, I've got 2 Towers in NYC to sell you...)
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To: Jim_Curtis
What a bunch of irrational nonsense. They are saying it was supposed to be judged higher based on some criteria before the actual performance. Libnastics.

It was supposed to be judged on what it was supposed to be judged on. The South Korean chose his routine for its difficulty level in order to be able to win. The difficulty level was done incorrectly. He did indeed have a higher score than Hamm.

Unfortunately, the rules don't allow for a change at this point
10 posted on 08/22/2004 10:54:18 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: School of Rational Thought

Why isn't Al Gore asking for a recount?


11 posted on 08/22/2004 10:55:13 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Tallguy

I agree. The marketablity of Hamm's gold is diminished if not shot to hell. Because it's acknowledged by everyone that the Korean should have won Hamm picture WON'T end up on Wheaties' boxes. If, however, in a diplay of sportsmanship he exchanges medals with the two other gymnasts, he will recieve a tremendous amount of positive publicity and likely garner some endorsement deals he otherwise wouldn't.

Also, not to be forgotten is it's the right thing to do.


12 posted on 08/22/2004 11:02:28 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: School of Rational Thought

They ought to have a do-over.


13 posted on 08/22/2004 11:03:59 AM PDT by Tazlo (I need to get a tagline)
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To: HarryCaul

If they felt there was a problem with the scoring, the Koreans should have protested right away. The rules say the protest must be made before the end of the next rotation. After that, no scores can be changed.

We don't know for sure if this particular mistake would have changed the outcome. Maybe there were other scoring mistakes among the many other routines by other gymnasts. But the only one that has been retroactively examined is this one score by the Korean.

If they were going to change the outcome now, the only fair way would be to reexamine the scoring for everyone for the entire night. There's a reason they don't do that. It would be like using "instant" replay on entire football games and changing the score after the game has been over for days.

When it's over, it's over.


14 posted on 08/22/2004 11:22:25 AM PDT by saquin
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To: RichInOC

My thoughts exactly. These hypocrites were staging demonstrations against the US when the US delegation had the temerity to suggest that something was amiss with the Roy Jones Jr. decision. Subsequent investigations have shown that judges were bribed to favor Korean athletes yet Jones still doesn't have his gold.

Even if a mistake in judging was made so what? What other mistakes were made and that haven't been examined? Some mistakes in judging may have hurt Hamm and benefitted the Koreans and haven't been examined; who knows? Unless some sort of fix was actually altered the decision, allow game time judgements to stand.


15 posted on 08/22/2004 11:26:44 AM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: Arkinsaw
Where is the proof that the judges judged the routine based on flawed criteria? Is it a matter of different judges watching the routine think it should have scored higher so therefore it is being said that the event judges must have scored it on some flawed criteria?

Did Pat Buchanan win the silver?

16 posted on 08/22/2004 11:28:28 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: HitmanNY
He will exchange medals before the end of the week. Bet on it.
17 posted on 08/22/2004 11:31:22 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Jim_Curtis

Didn't they go ahead and award that Canadian skating duo the Gold after the fact, and had them share the gold with the original winners in the last Winter Olympics? Why can't they do the same here?


18 posted on 08/22/2004 11:32:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Tazlo

"they ought to have a do over"

or an intense round of "Rock/Paper/Scissors"


19 posted on 08/22/2004 11:33:12 AM PDT by Soylent Democrats (President George W. Bush in 2004)
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To: Pukin Dog

If you say so.


20 posted on 08/22/2004 11:34:27 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Pukin Dog
He will exchange medals before the end of the week.

I agree. And Hamm could write his own ticket marketability-wise if he did.

21 posted on 08/22/2004 11:39:12 AM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: dfwgator
Didn't they go ahead and award that Canadian skating duo the Gold after the fact, and had them share the gold with the original winners in the last Winter Olympics? Why can't they do the same here?

Why not give them all a gold? What proof is there that every gymnast wasn't scored on flawed criteria?

22 posted on 08/22/2004 11:43:26 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Did no one get my comment or was it just not funny? Too obscure?

Did no one see the connection between Kerry's medals and the gymnist medals?


23 posted on 08/22/2004 12:56:10 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: School of Rational Thought
No one really knows what the S Korean score would have been if he had started with a difficulty of 10. To automatically say he should have another .1 point added to his score, because he started with 9.9, is wrong. The judges may have still given him the same score or maybe just a small bump higher, but not the full .1 of a point. No one will ever know. Also, Hamm went into his final routine knowing how well he needed to do to come in first, based on the error the judges made with the S Korean, but Hamm had no way of knowing his score was in error. Who is to say that maybe Hamm would have given just a little bit more effort if he knew ahead of time what the real score the S Korean would have had. I say leave the results the way they are. Judges make mistakes, just like everyone else. You cannot undo what has already been finalized. I just hope the S Korean is man enough to accept this and does not pull an Al Gore for many years to come.
24 posted on 08/22/2004 8:00:35 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: saquin
There was also the conduct of the Japanese judge on either the rings or the high-bar who devalued the routine half of the American team had been using all season.

Coincidentally, the Japanese team won the gold.

25 posted on 08/22/2004 8:05:01 PM PDT by writmeister
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To: dfwgator
Didn't they go ahead and award that Canadian skating duo the Gold after the fact, and had them share the gold with the original winners in the last Winter Olympics? Why can't they do the same here?

IIRC, the second gold was awarded because there was proven collusion between judges. This was simply a mistake. Just in case you haven't heard, we found out tonight that the Korean made a mistake in his routine that wasn't deducted. He had too many "holds" which should have been an automatic 2 tenths deduction, but it was missed... just as his true start value was missed.

In the end, Hamm earned the gold.

26 posted on 08/23/2004 10:01:03 PM PDT by Dianna
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