Posted on 07/20/2004 1:43:56 PM PDT by maquiladora
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Some Fort Detrick Labs Closed 10:25 AM
Jul 20, 2004 10:25 am US/Eastern
Frederick, MD (WJZ)
Federal agents are combing a number of laboratory suites at Fort Detrick in Frederick for evidence of the 2001 anthrax attacks.
Fort Detrick spokesman Charles Dasey says the labs have been closed since Friday at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, home to the Army's biological warfare defense program.
A law enforcement source tells The Associated Press that the activity is related to the anthrax mailings that killed five people and sickened 17 in October of 2001.
FBI agents have frequently visited Fort Detrick since the
unsolved attacks amid speculation that the deadly spores or the person who sent them may have come from Fort Detrick.
(© 2004 CBS Worldwide Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report. )
Is this 'BMI' another 'French' (GM) connection?
:-(
Is this 'BMI' another 'French' (GM) connection?
????........'GM' research?,...sounds like a whole lot of 'corn' to me......
/sarcasm
:-(
ping......
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In the 4 September 2001 New York Times article, we read
<< ... the Pentagon drew up plans to engineer genetically a potentially more potent variant of the bacterium that causes anthrax ....
... the West Jefferson, Ohio, laboratory of the Battelle Memorial Institute, a military contractor that has been selected to create the genetically altered anthrax. >>
There is more on Battelle, but that's all I'll trouble to quote.
Remembering.....
As I said more than two months ago, in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165194/posts?page=47#47:
<< OTOH what if they're actually investigating domestic perps or highly placed domestic perps in collusion with foreign ones?
They are. You can take it to the bank.
The 2002 Science article demonstrated that the anthrax that killed Bob Stevens was very closely related to a known sample from USAMRIID, Ft Detrick.
Rumours floating around are that the anthrax utilised in 2001 was not directly from Ft Detrick. The line had passed through Battelle after twas at USAMRIID. >>
I say this confirms what I said and also it makes one lean toward the importance of the Times article to the case.
Not at all. Life experience is of the highest value.
<< Please explain .......Do you think anyone in our government in collusion with AQ??? >>
A very broad question, and an interesting one. Unfortunately I do not know the anwser.
The AQ collusion possibilities - in general, not necessarily referring to anthrax:
How-ever, I don't think that general question is what you meant. I think you meant to ask whether AQ was reponsible for the anthrax-letters plot, after getting the anthrax from an insider as in Possibility 2.
The answer is No. AQ doesn't warn its victims, telling them how to protect themselves. AQ goes for mass casualties, which could have been inflicted in this case but were not. AQ would have followed with more attacks, or if this was all they had, they would have used their one WMD sample more effectively.
The true face of AQ can be seen in the coldblooded murders of fleeing Russian children. It can be seen in the 09-11 attacks. It is a reflection of memories of concentration camps and pogroms, an anachronistic evil revisited upon us, executed on the largest scale that their small minds can imagine.
No, the anthrax mailings were not AQ. What would AQ's motive have been?
You and others may have uncovered evidence that AQ is in search of anthrax. It would be of no surprise. That does not mean that AQ was reponsible for the 2001 letters.
Even taking the Miller article on its face, the genetically altered anthrax may not yet have been produced, but was about to be, so the stock of virulent Ames had already been obtained and, with high likelihood, cultivated.
Well then,.........this leads to possibility # 4......
.....................................................FOLLOW THE MONEY.........
(Not again.....)
/sarcasm
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This is unsupported speculation in support of other unsupported speculation. I haven't examined closely twa800, so I don't have an opinion on it. But with the twa800 crash cause in questionable doubt itself, it can't be used well to buttress something else.
If u think it was AQ just doing a poor first trial, what is your theory explaining why they included warnings in the letters? The letters to Brokaw and the Post said to take << penacilin >>, and the letters to Leaky Leahy and Daschle spelled out that they contained anthrax.
This is for AQ quite out of character. Some terrorist groups give warnings - the Basques come to mind. But not AQ.
Remember back to the Madrid bombings in March? Originally thought the work of Basque separatists, the lack of a warning and the consequent wanton mass murder provided an early sign that it was AQ, not Basques.
This is not inconsequential. The warning in the Daschle letter probably saved lives among Senate staffers.
So. Can you explain why AQ would have included the warnings?
Two of the hoax letters were sent to NBC News and the New York Post, just like two of the real anthrax letters. Even more... they must have been addressed in the same way, since in each place the 2 letters were opened by the same person. The hoax letters were received before the real letters were discovered and publicized.
This is not believable as a coincidence.
So at least 2 of the hoax letters were sent as part of the same plot as the real anthrax letters.
???????????what about all of the OBL video T.V. threat tapes?
"So at least 2 of the hoax letters were sent as part of the same plot as the real anthrax letters."
Accused scientist says letter links to anthrax mailers
"The FBI won't release an anonymous letter, which in the days before the 2001 fatal anthrax mailings, accused an Egyptian-born scientist of plotting biowarfare against the United States, saying it would divulge secret sources in the continuing investigation.
In a July 7 note citing the sources, the FBI denied Ayaad Assaad, the letter's subject, access to the evidence. Mr. Assaad said he's convinced it is linked to a person or a group responsible for the anthrax mailings that killed five persons.
"They know damn well that this letter is connected to the anthrax sender," he said, adding that the FBI's refusal to provide a copy suggests "they're trying to protect whoever sent it."
He said he suspects it led investigators to the Army's biodefense lab at Fort Detrick.
Asked about the anonymous letter Friday, a spokeswoman at the FBI's Washington field office said it is "unrelated to the anthrax mailings."
However, that assertion hasn't stopped the bureau from withholding it for nearly two years from Mr. Assaad.
According to the July 7 note to him, in which the Justice Department denied his latest request for a copy of the letter, releasing it "could reasonably be expected to disclose the identities of confidential sources and information by such sources."
About two weeks before the anthrax mailings became known, the FBI was given the unsigned letter describing Mr. Assaad, who once worked at Fort Detrick, as an anti-American religious fanatic with the means and expertise to unleash a bioweapons attack.
He has been seeking a copy of the letter ever since agents with the FBI's Washington field office questioned him about it on Oct. 3, 2001.
The Hartford Courant first reported the FBI's continued refusal to release it last month. During an interview with The Washington Times on Thursday, Mr. Assaad said he's baffled by what he calls the FBI's contradictory actions.
"They're trying to protect someone who hurt me," he said, explaining that from what he saw of the letter it was laden with false and negative statements about him. While it didn't specify his religion, he said it called him a "religious fanatic."
Mr. Assaad, who holds graduate degrees from Iowa State University and has lived in the United States since the mid-1970s, claims he was discriminated against when he worked at the Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. He now works as a toxicologist for the Environmental Protection Agency.
He said when the FBI questioned him about the anonymous letter, agents told him he could file a Freedom of Information-Privacy Acts request to get a copy of it. When the interview was completed, the agents cleared him and said he was free to go.
However, he said when he made repeated calls to the FBI asking if agents wanted to speak with him again or if his past work with bioweapons could assist in their investigation, he was turned away..........."
"This is not believable as a coincidence" - either.
Los Angeles, Alta California - October 9, 2001 (ACN) - On Monday July 9, 2001, we received a handwritten letter in our mail box addressed to the publisher of La Voz de Aztlan.
The letter had no return address but had a July 5, 2001 U.S. postal mark from Santa Clarita, California.......
The one page letter contained a small amount of a yellowish white substance and the text of the letter alluded to the fact that Jews had an illustrious history in biological research that included the development of the Salk vaccine.
The letter ended with "Unfortunately, if Hitler was alive today he would pin a medal on you. Unfortunately during World War II the Arabs also supported Hitler. Racism and hatred destroy!"
A few minutes after opening and reading the letter, I started sneezing and coughing and became ill with flu like symptoms.
I connected the commencement of the symptoms with the suspicious white substance in the envelope and proceeded to place the letter and envelope in a plastic zip lock bag. Within hours I was able to see my doctor and he put me on 30 days of antibiotics. I have had recurring flu like symptoms ever since.
A few days ago a similar situation occurred in Boca Raton, Florida where, according to news reports, a letter was sent to the offices of a news service with a white soapy substance that killed at least one person.
Another person in the office tested positive for Anthrax spores in his nostrils. The laboratory engineered Anthrax spores came in the mail in an envelope that included a "Star of David" charm according to an Associated Press news article released today.
The FBI is presently conducting an investigation and very little information has been released concerning this case...."
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by
Hector Carreon
La Voz de Aztlan
Now, onto the Hector Carreon case. Hector is a columnist for the Nation of Aztlan, a group whose nominal goal is the re-creation of Greater Mexico, but half of whose screeds are about Jews and Israel. Obviously Aztlan.net has hostile relations with mainstream Jewish organizations, and may have been targeted by the Jewish Defense League, who do have a history of criminal and terrorist actions. The JDL is also entwined in the larger history of the war on terror. It was founded by Meir Kahane, whose assassination in 1990 is treated by several authors as the first action of the al Qaeda cell behind the 1993 WTC bombing. Two months after 9/11, two JDL members were charged with plotting to blow up a mosque and/or the offices of California Republican Darrell Issa. One of them, Irv Rubin, supposedly committed suicide in December 2002 while awaiting trial, and the other pleaded guilty early in 2003. (I say "supposedly" because he is said to have cut his own throat and then jumped off a balcony, which for me is up there with Abu Nidal's four-bullet "suicide".) Finally, a one-man JDL splinter, the Jewish Defense Organization (JDO), has a minor place in the Hatfill saga, having been the channel through which some of the accusations against Steve Hatfill were disseminated.
If they are willing to blow up a mosque, they are surely willing to send an anthrax hoax letter. However, several things about Hector Carreon's story make me doubtful. By his own account, Carreon got the letter in early July, actually fell sick, but didn't approach police until early October, when he simultaneously wrote a column, "Anthrax Terrorists may be Zionists", which was reproduced as far away as Syria. Why did he wait so long? Why didn't he mention it in his columns? What sort of biological agent looks like white powder and gives you flu symptoms? Carreon appears to be a propagandist who for tactical reasons has allied his cause (the secession of Aztlan from the USA) with the anti-Zionist cause of his best prospective allies (anti-American states from the Islamic world), and perhaps he's just holding up his end of the deal by propagating this story. If anyone takes it seriously, I suggest they contact Detective Rivera of the Whittier Police Department, and ask about the status of the case.
Concerning the Quantico letter (about Ayaad Assaad), the St Petersburg hoax letters (to Troxler and Miller), etc., I previously dismissed them as red herrings - part of the background noise, and not directly relevant to Amerithrax. The content of the letter to Troxler has made me rethink that. However, my interpretation would be along the lines of post #194 - they were sent by an al Qaeda operative like Iyman Faris.
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