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Politically Correcting the Legend (King Arthur for our post-modern times)
Tech Central Station ^ | July 20, 2004 | Michael Brandon McClellan

Posted on 07/20/2004 9:45:48 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: cyborg
I thought King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table were christians.

Nobody even knows if there WAS a "King Arthur" much less a Round Table.

You technically can't really make a historically inaccurate movie about King Arthur because nobody really knows what the history is, or even if there is one.

21 posted on 07/20/2004 10:05:46 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: quidnunc

I have been waiting for someone to really do King Arthur, the half-roman warlord defending romanized, half-christianized, celtic Britain against the pagan saxons.

I hoped this movie would be it. But it is so full of unnecessary elements that it is distracted from what it could have been. As others have noted, every Christian in the movie is either cowardly or sick and demented. Only Arthur's christianity is presented in a positive light, and the point is made that he is a heretic who will be killed if he returns to Rome. They have Christians running torture chambers and the obligatory child-molesting bishop (at least thats how I interpreted it, the bishop's exaggerated affection for the boy, the boy's obvious revulsion for the bishop).

The heroes, Arthur's riders, are themselves pagans who mock the christians in the movie, and rightly so if that's what christians are. But since these elements have nothing to do either with the legendary Arthur, nor the historical one, and since they had to be invented from out of the film-maker's own mind, you have to wonder why he went to the trouble.

The script is rather lame, and full of over-dramatic pauses that almost seem silly.

I am still waiting for someone to really "do" King Arthur. Maybe someday Mel Gibson will step up to the task.


22 posted on 07/20/2004 10:06:29 AM PDT by marron
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To: Uncle Vlad

I'm also pretty sure that the Woads wouldn't be using makeshift Trebuchets against the Saxons.


23 posted on 07/20/2004 10:07:17 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: quidnunc
I was wondering if I was the only one to notice the slant of this Disney movie. As I posted on an earlier thread:

This anti-Christian bias was LOUD and CLEAR in Disney's King Arthur movie. You'd think that the between the invading Saxon barbarians and the creepy pagan Druids (called Woads in the movie) Disney could have found sufficient villainy. Not so. The Roman bishops and all Christians were the heavies, and gratuitously so. The Bishops inclusion made no sense in the plot, they were there seemingly just to provide Disney an opportunity at Christian bashing. King Arthur appears nominally Christian, but at the movies end his marriage to Guinevere is officiated by the Druid Merlin, and takes place at the Druid temple of Stonehenge. Arthur's character development is just about defined as the abandonment of Christianity for paganism.

Moreover, this Christian bashing is snuck in-- you'll find no images or mention of the evil Bishop or other Christians at the web site. Walt Disney's subterranean RPM's are surely approaching redline.

24 posted on 07/20/2004 10:08:57 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Blue Scourge

Is there much real history behind King Arthur? I've always thought of it as more of a legend.

Also, it's unfortunate about the Christophobia...


25 posted on 07/20/2004 10:09:54 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Blue Scourge

The infamous flaming arrows (Seemingly required for every Hollywood movie set before gunpowder now) didn't make an appearance, did they?


26 posted on 07/20/2004 10:10:06 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: quidnunc
I also liked the Woad Trebuchets. That was Hollywood realism at its finest.
27 posted on 07/20/2004 10:13:42 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Knight of The Mind - On Crusade Vs. Liberal Stupidity!!)
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To: Blue Scourge
Where as all the peaceful pagans wanted was to be "left alone".
28 posted on 07/20/2004 10:15:37 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: gingerky
Say what you will about this movie, but Keira Knightley is portraying Guinevere, and that's all I need to know.


29 posted on 07/20/2004 10:16:52 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: quidnunc
Far more Xena the Warrior Princess than the Princess Bride's Buttercup, she dons a Gothic leather outfit with the theology to match.

Sounds good to me.

30 posted on 07/20/2004 10:17:34 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: quidnunc

You have to laugh at a review that condems this movie for it's lack of accuracy, but still uses terms like "William Wallace style face paint" when the blue paint was one of the glaring inaccuracies in Braveheart, as it was given up centuries before.


31 posted on 07/20/2004 10:22:04 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Blue Scourge; All

The best King Author movie was Excalibur. The worst was the one with Sean Connery and Gerbil boy.


32 posted on 07/20/2004 10:25:24 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Strategerist
You technically can't really make a historically inaccurate movie about King Arthur...

It's like making a historically inaccurate movie about the life of Bigfoot.
33 posted on 07/20/2004 10:28:49 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Blue Scourge

In short, Pelagius did not believe that God's grace was necessary to overcome man's sin. Man is free to believe in Christ without God's grace, or not. Taken to its logical extension, as Augustine pointed out, then why is man not free to also avoid sin without grace? Why then is Christ even necessary?

Of course many American Christians are Pelagian, perhaps even more so than Pelagius himself....Charles Finney is one who would have shocked even Pelagius with his heretical teachings.


34 posted on 07/20/2004 10:36:23 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: StoneColdGOP

Only a fool cuts off his nose to spite his face. Vote for Bush anyway.


35 posted on 07/20/2004 10:38:44 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: quidnunc

"Catholic Romans, who are willing to implement any hideous means to convert and enslave the natives"

Oh, this is almost the perfect liberal fantasy nightmare world - Catholic and Roman, the bane of all the world, in 1!

Only thing better for libs would be Catholic Americans. Probably in an Iraq setting.....


36 posted on 07/20/2004 10:41:04 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Phlap

No.


37 posted on 07/20/2004 10:44:58 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
My brother is a historian and he loved the movie (I hated it). He thought they got a lot of little details right and that the portrayal of the corruption and treachery of the early Christian church was dead-on accurate.

Your brother is, frankly, clueless.

This movie was full of painful historical howlers.

No one who has bothered to read even a freshman survey text on Roman Britain would think that this movie had historical value.

38 posted on 07/20/2004 10:45:03 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: marron

But you know how Mel "hates Brits" - LOL. He'd probably make the same kind if they had to show "Brits" (such as they would be) in the film!


39 posted on 07/20/2004 10:46:49 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Blue Scourge

It tried to be Gladiator and failed, but I enjoyed it. The themes of country and freedom were heavily played.


40 posted on 07/20/2004 10:48:45 AM PDT by rintense (Kerry/Edwards: Two Johns to screw America)
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