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From the Founders to Klintoon, that's quite a jump.
1 posted on 07/13/2004 8:03:32 AM PDT by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates

While I do admire the Founders of this Nation, I don't worship them as some do.

At the end of the day, they were Men. With all that entails, good and bad. They changed the world in a way we still don't appreciate, to be sure.

But they were Men, with feet of clay, just like any one of us.


2 posted on 07/13/2004 8:06:33 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Mike Bates

Jefferson wanted a lot of stuff in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence that didn't make it into the final versions. Too bad they didn't, but practicality and politics said they couldn't.


3 posted on 07/13/2004 8:10:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mike Bates
How many kids have died as a result of Bush’s lies?

I am so sick of this one. What "lies" are these people referring to?

4 posted on 07/13/2004 8:11:34 AM PDT by RockinRight
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To: Mike Bates
my God says...

I suspect he ignores what his God says about homos, those who murder the innocents, and anything remotely sounding like that classic rightwing religious bludgeon, 'sin'.

6 posted on 07/13/2004 8:12:43 AM PDT by tbpiper (Michael Moore…..the Erich von Däniken of political documentary)
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To: Mike Bates

I actually met someone (a self professed Liberal)who, after 9-11, said he didn't care if a plane crashed into the Whitehouse "because George Washington had slaves". Unbelivable!


7 posted on 07/13/2004 8:15:07 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: Mike Bates

when psychos babble.......


9 posted on 07/13/2004 8:27:57 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Mike Bates
Still, the Declaration and the Constitution launched a system of government that ultimately ended slavery.

That's kind of not true. The Constitution specifically set aside any discussion of slavery for a period of 20 years, the Framers knowing that slavery was the one issue that would kill the Republic before it had any chance to live. If any specific anti-slave-trade or anti-slavery had found its way into the Constitution, it would not have been ratified in the South. And when Philadelphia Quakers, led by Franklin in the last years of his life, tried to get the new Congress to debate the issue of slavery specifically, a deal was brokered to more or less "table" the issue for another day.

It took a real, live shooting war to decide the slavery issue. The Constitution, as written by the Framers, was purposefully silent on the issue.

11 posted on 07/13/2004 8:42:50 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Mike Bates

The problem with "debunking" the Founders is that it leads one to fail to apprehend the very high standard of political genius that went into designing and implementing a form of government unique in the world at the time and still very unlike any other. One need not swing from extreme to extreme in regard to these gentlemen - they certainly weren't saints but that does not mean that they were "criminals." Most of the signators of the Declaration of Independence paid dearly in their personal lives for the temerity of defying the King, with us as the beneficiaries. If some pinheaded liberal crybaby wants to miscategorize them it's only because he miscategorizes everything else.


15 posted on 07/13/2004 11:36:08 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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"Well I am sooooo glad that my God says that the meek shall inhabit the earth"

Yeah. He DID say that. But he didn't say anything about what the stupid would get, unfortunately for the letter writter.


22 posted on 07/13/2004 12:53:21 PM PDT by ZULU (Democrats = Evil; Republicans = Stupid)
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Washington at the end of his life, got rid of some of his slave by making his plantation less dependent on slave labor. When he died, he had all of his slaves freed. Sometime ago I saw something on PBS about Washington with Richard (I don't remember his last name), he interviewed the descendent's of Washington slaves, most of them forgave Washington.
23 posted on 07/13/2004 12:53:44 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Mike Bates
Not everyone admires the Founding Fathers

There is a place for those folks, just as during the times of the Revolution:
Canada.
Preferably as far due north in the Northwest Territories as possible.
No need for them to spoil the modestly redeeming qualities of nice places like
Vancouver, Edmondton, etc.
24 posted on 07/13/2004 12:59:20 PM PDT by VOA
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"Not one single person died as a result of Clinton’s follies!"

Apparently this genious is unfamiliar with the Clinton body count.

36 posted on 07/14/2004 6:44:11 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: Mike Bates

feminist "theory" is based upon the frankfort school and lacan.

both reject the enlightenment.

our constitution is an enlightenment document.


45 posted on 07/15/2004 11:20:44 AM PDT by no_problema
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To: Mike Bates

Some of the founding fathers were not so great -- namely, Tom Paine, Benedict Arnold, if you consider them such. And Andrew Jackson is totally undeserving to be on the $20 bill, although he's not really a founding father.


52 posted on 07/15/2004 12:26:03 PM PDT by Koblenz (Not bad, not bad at all. -- Ronald Reagan, the Greatest President.)
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