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HEY Girlie Boy I wouldn't go there if I were you. Kerry has some really nice ties too.
1 posted on 07/12/2004 8:01:49 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.


2 posted on 07/12/2004 8:03:14 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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"...and put our economy back in line with our values."

Now just what the heck is that supposed to mean? John Edwards sued doctors because there was money in it, not out of any belief in "values".


4 posted on 07/12/2004 8:06:01 AM PDT by Bahbah
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and put our economy back in line with our values

I'm surprised that he can even get the 'v' word past his lips after the recent "Raunchfest"

5 posted on 07/12/2004 8:08:13 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Freedom is NEVER negotiable!)
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Dems seem to have relationships as well.


7 posted on 07/12/2004 8:11:22 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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Oh come on, Johnnie # 2...we can hit right back with Ken's ties to Johny #1 : they owned $250,000 in Enron stock before the implosion, according to the Boston Herald.

John # 1 and his wife also served on a charity board WITH Lay, even AFTER the FRAUD CHARGES WERE BROUGHT.

Ken sure got around! CEO tied to Kerrys, too

8 posted on 07/12/2004 8:13:13 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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Lay, a big political contributor whose largesse went mostly to Republicans...

Not true. Enron money went mostly to frontrunners, but both sides received plenty. In the House, the two largest recipients of Enron money are Shela Jackson (is this Mars) Lee, and Ken (little Lord) Benson, both democRATs.

9 posted on 07/12/2004 8:13:30 AM PDT by The_Victor
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LOL......the son of a mill MANAGER, complaining about the man who sat on the board of Terraaayyyzzaaa's foundation.


10 posted on 07/12/2004 8:13:50 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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So did the WaPost fax The Two Johns about the story first or did they get the "flush" directly from the campaign?

Inquiring minds want to know.

11 posted on 07/12/2004 8:14:05 AM PDT by pierrem15
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Hope you won't be holding your breath waiting for the media to report it, however.


15 posted on 07/12/2004 8:20:25 AM PDT by daler
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Edwards conveniently leaves out the part about all of Lay's underlings they have been investigating and indicting to make sure the case against Ken Lay is as water tight as a frogs butt.

Want him arrested fast or convicted? Prosecutors had him under wraps. They just took their time and tied a nice tight noose. Nice work in my book.

Edwards could not have picked a less significant issue.

16 posted on 07/12/2004 8:24:36 AM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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Ah, John...the Bush Justice Department, spearheaded by a U.S. Attorney appointed by Dubya, just got Ken Lay indicted. And meanwhile, our Democrat state attorney general, Bill Lockyer, who rather infamously broadcast his desire to make Kenny Boy somebody's prison wife, is apparently still trying to find the grand jury room. Talk is cheap.


17 posted on 07/12/2004 8:25:27 AM PDT by RichInOC (Kerry-Edwards 2004*: *Truth Not Included)
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What a total idiot and a-hole!

First, he's opening up the Dems to questions regarding Lay's connections to the Clinton administration, and why it did nothing to halt the corporate corruption scandals before they got out of hand.

Secondly, anyone familiar with cases involving complicated issues such as Lay's would understand why investigations take so long. I guess scamming millions and bankrupting doctors based on channeling the spirit of brain-damaged children in front of a jury is a little quicker.

19 posted on 07/12/2004 8:26:37 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (Rest in peace, sultan88)
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"It took three long years to see Ken Lay handcuffed and indicted for what he did," the North Carolina senator said Saturday in the weekly Democratic radio address.

I'm interning at a law firm as a clerk, and John Edwards should certainly know better than this. I've been pulling files for panel orders all summer - 5 figure suits which will likely be settled - and even those cases take several months to a few years, simply because of all the paperwork. Preparing an airtight federal indictment case with 11 charges is certainly going to take a while, John - implying that Bush is dragging his heels for a former contributor is ludicrous, slanderous, and an outright lie.

20 posted on 07/12/2004 8:26:46 AM PDT by ICX (The Dem VP race is like a wildebeest giving birth - it's ugly, loud, and ultimately doesn't matter.)
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Dems were insisting all along that the Bush admin would be soft on Enron, wouldn't aggressively prosecute, etc. So now that virtually all of the Enron execs have been indicted, they are saying it didn't happen fast enough or that it proves Bush kept bad company. All this coming from the defenders of Clinton, who saw several of his direct busines partners jailed for fraud and embezzlement. This is why I'm no longer a Democrat - I detest their shameless, 24/7 spinning, changing the argument when the first argument is proven false.


22 posted on 07/12/2004 8:29:40 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Bush just can't win. The Democrats claim that he could have arrested Osama Ben Laden long ago but that he's putting it off for political reasons.


23 posted on 07/12/2004 8:30:47 AM PDT by bayourod (Kerry, the human downer, knows the words to "optimism" but can't quite get the tune right.)
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"It took three long years to see Ken Lay handcuffed and indicted for what he did."

This is a totally irresponsible thing for him to say, but it sure makes for a pretty soundbite, doesn't it?

26 posted on 07/12/2004 8:36:21 AM PDT by LincolnLover (LSU: 2003 National Football Champions, GEAUXING FOR TWO in 2004!)
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Gee, a trial lawyer like Eddie should realize that the prosecution only gets ONE chance to convict someone in a criminal case. It certainly makes more sense, then, to take the necessary time to build a solid case against Lay than to rush into an indictment and a trial without a solid case and see him go free. Of course, if there had been a speedier indictment followed by an acquittal, Eddie would have been whining about that too.


28 posted on 07/12/2004 8:43:27 AM PDT by stremba
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CALL THE LAWYERS !!


29 posted on 07/12/2004 8:47:10 AM PDT by traumer
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Note to Edwards: Junior, the Oil For Food scandal is far greater. How come not a peep out of you about that?
31 posted on 07/12/2004 8:58:41 AM PDT by mewzilla
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Lest Edwards forgets, a Democrat, namely one DNC Chairman Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT) was almost singlehandedly responsible for shephering legislation through Congress to remove the barriers to accounting firms (like Arthur Anderson) from serving as both auditors and advisors to the same company.

He also removed protections for defrauded investors to recover their money and proposed deregulation in the guise of tort reform. I am sure plenty of Republicans supported it (see Billy Tauzin), but is was spearheaded by a Democrat. Lieberman was in bed with this legislation as well, but not to the extent Dodd was.

From http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/mm0196.12.html, 1/96:

A BITTER LEGISLATIVE FIGHT erupted last year over securities "reform," a measure which will make it difficult for investors to recover their money when defrauded by financial swindlers. The man most responsible for winning approval for the bill, which passed last December over President Clinton's veto, was Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, the chair of the Democratic National Committee.

Dodd is the second biggest recipient of contributions from business groups pushing the securities legislation -- namely Wall Street, accountants and high-tech firms -- raking in more than $80,000 between 1991 and 1995. Last October, Ben Stein wrote an article for the American Spectator in which he recounted a conversation he had with an accountant at a Washington fundraiser: "'You must love Chris Dodd,' I said. 'He's been fighting for you guys for a long time. You must have given him a ton of money.' 'A ton,' he said eagerly. 'But he earned it'."

Democratic support for the bill was initially tepid, but Dodd lined up at least 10 votes. Dodd carries special weight with colleagues because, as head of the DNC, he controls the flow of campaign money which will be made available to Democratic senators up for re-election in 1996.

Dodd's spokesperson, Marvin Fast, says charges that the senator was working on behalf of his campaign contributors are "absolute bunk." Fast adds, "He [Dodd] took action because there was a problem in the industry. It was a bipartisan solution because people on both sides of the aisle recognized that the problem existed."

From PBS of all places:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/regulation/congress/

Although President Clinton vetoed the bill, called the Private Securities and Litigation Reform Act of 1995, asserting that it would close the courthouse door on investors with legitimate claims, the Senate -- led by Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the Democratic National Committee -- overturned the president's veto in December 1995. Sen. Dodd received almost a quarter of a million dollars in political donations from the accounting industry in the 1995-96 election cycle, although he was not up for re-election.

"Chris Dodd, here he is chairman of the Democratic Party, but he's also the leading advocate in the U.S. Senate on behalf of the accounting industry," says Charles Lewis of the Center for Public Integrity. "And he helps overturn the veto of his own president, who installed him as Democratic chairman. Dodd might as well have been on the accounting industry's payroll. He couldn't have helped them any more than he did as a U.S. Senator."

From Pittsburglive.com
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/datelinedc/s_16479.html

"Eight committees on Capitol Hill began their attempt to unravel the web of criminal deceit that ensnared Enron and its accountancy firm of Arthur Andersen. Dodd, Andersen's protector, once known as "The Sensual Senator," a role he abandoned for fatherhood recently, has for the past seven years also been well paid by the accountancy and securities industry generally. Of course, as his integrity further declined, so his campaign funds prospered to about $200,000 a year.

If Enron's CEO Ken Lay is indicted, it would only be seemly for Dodd to be charged as an accessory before the event.


Even for pudgy Dodd that is a lot of free lunch money, and another substantial reason why his Democratic Party can't hang the Enron scandal on the Republican Party.

DODD'S FLIP

In 1995, Chris Dodd, with Democrats in the House of Representatives, took the lead in defeating legislation that would have prevented a company's accountant, such as Arthur Andersen, from also serving as its business consultant. This year, Dodd changed course and became a bold advocate for the small shareholder. He has introduced legislation reversing his past efforts while hoping for silence about his deceptions."


Even though Edwards is too young to remember, the Private Securities and Litigation Reform Act of 1995 was supported by Kerry, effectively screwing the shareholder in order to favor his big corporate special interest friends. And Johnny Chung LOVED Kerry.......


34 posted on 07/12/2004 9:33:53 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (Al Queda, Al Jazeera, Al Gore, Al Franken: the four horsemen of the Apocalypse)
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