[JamesA]

Seems to me every young American should be willing to serve their country in one form or another, with pride. It's like, you want all the rights and privileges of being an American but you are unwilling or object to stand up and protect or earn those rights. It cannot always be the other guy, you have to be involved also. There are and will be a huge variety of excuses but basically its choice, nothing comes free and freedom comes at a huge cost for all of us.

[steve-b]

Seems to me every young American should be willing to serve their country in one form or another, with pride.

Everyone who earns an honest living does that.

It's like, you want all the rights and privileges of being an American but you are unwilling or object to stand up and protect or earn those rights. It cannot always be the other guy, you have to be involved also.

I can see a good case for conditioning (for example) the franchise upon being (at least) not a charge on society or the state. However, the use of that concept as a cover for Jim Crow disenfranchisement of blacks has poisoned that well.