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Marines Advance North Into Fallujah
AP, Fox News ^ | April 7, 2004 | Bret Baier, Steve Centanni and The Associated Press

Posted on 04/07/2004 5:25:37 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:39:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

FALLUJAH, Iraq

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; fallujah; iraq; marines; ramadi; vigilantresolve
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1 posted on 04/07/2004 5:25:37 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; windchime; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; ...

Marines waged a fierce battle for hours Tuesday with gunmen holed up in a residential neighborhood of Fallujah. The military used a deadly AC-130 gunship to lay down a barrage of fire against guerrillas, and commanders said Marines were holding an area several blocks deep inside the city. At least two Marines were wounded.

U.S. warplanes firing rockets destroyed four houses in Fallujah after nightfall Tuesday...

"We are several blocks deep in the city of Fallujah," Marine Maj. Briandon McGolwan said. He said several helicopters were hit by small arms fire, but none were downed. He said Marines had detained 14 people since Monday.

 

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Details also on the smaller battles against Coalition forces in Kut, etc., Coalition taking out enemy forces incited by Sadr across the country.

AP + Fox News' Bret Baier, Steve Centanni report.

2 posted on 04/07/2004 5:31:25 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do.They counted on America to be passive.They counted wrong."- R Reagan)
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3 posted on 04/07/2004 5:32:45 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Don't be a nuancy boy)
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By Eric R. Taylor

It's beginning to look a lot like Vietnam.

Ever since our victory over Saddam Hussein last year, we have been plagued by terrorist attacks on our
troops that have now killed more soldiers than the actual three-week military campaign that toppled the
regime.

While attacks against U.S. and coalition troops have generally plateaued, attacks against Iraqi civilians
(softer targets) are on the increase. Recent ruthless attacks such as the car-bombing of the Mount
Lebanon hotel in Baghdad have led some observers to compare the situation with the Vietnam War. These
attacks cast an ominous shadow over the U.S. plan to turn sovereignty over to the Iraqis on June 30.

We should expect the terrorism to deepen in ferocity and frequency in the months ahead. It is the only
hope the jihadists have of defeating us. And there is a precedent: In Vietnam, the enemy wore us down,
politically, physically, materially, economically and psychologically.

Our conduct of the Vietnam War contains some valuable "lessons not learned" that are pertinent to the
situation in Iraq today.

In Vietnam, we attempted to fight a classical, set-piece war of attrition reminiscent of World War II and
then-current NATO war plans. But the North Vietnamese Army (PAVN) and the Viet Cong (VC) didn't fight
such a conventional war. They avoided massed clashes as much as possible.

Instead, they capitalized on hit-and-run, melt-away tactics. We were fixed. They weren't. We operated from
firebases and other fixed installations (defense), while they operated mobile and loose (offense). We
attempted to defend everything and couldn't defend anything. At a day's end, we retired to a firebase or a
tactical bivouac within range of friendly artillery. Any ground we took during the day was repurchased in
blood the next.

The enemy's line of communications was an ill-defined jungle logistical route called the Ho Chi Minh trail that
snaked from North Vietnam down along Laos and Cambodia with feeder tentacles all along and across the
border into South Vietnam. They operated from sanctuaries in Laos and Cambodia that - except for "sneak
and peek" observation missions by the Special Operations Groups (SOG) - were "hands off" to conventional
strikes because of political decisions in Washington. The reluctance to hit enemy lines of communications
until very late in the war was a major strategic blunder, significantly contributing to our losses, both in
terms of casualties and the war itself.

A similar situation seems to have emerged in Iraq today. Iraq is surrounded by (clockwise from the north)
Turkey, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria with a total border of 2,266 miles. Despite diplomatic
formalities, Iran, Syria and even Saudi Arabia - with nearly 2,000 of those miles of borders - should be
considered unfriendly to the United States in terms of our Iraqi occupation. And it appears that they have
no incentive to quell the operation of terrorists targeting Iraq who are operating within their borders.

To avoid a repeat of Vietnam, we must mercilessly strike those strongholds using
our Special Operations Forces. If we refrain out of concerns of world opinion or
international law, we face allowing the "Vietnamization" of Iraq and a continuing bloodbath.

Already there are disturbing parallels between the occupation and the quagmire we endured a
quarter-century ago: Our current position in Iraq is that of circled wagons. We are fixed, and the terrorists
are mobile. We are concentrated and the terrorists are diffused within the larger civilian population.

Our troops are saddled with the impossible task of providing urban security for nearly all areas to make the
political case we are bringing change and security to Iraq. By the time our troops smell something's afoul,
it's too late.

The terrorists operate with the aid of an inviolate supply line from currently untouchable sanctuaries. Yet,
to massively thrust into neighboring countries to strike terrorist enclaves does risk widening this conflict.
But if we don't neutralize those targets, it will probably widen anyway.

If we turn a blind eye to the sources nurturing these butchers, Iraq will be fed a steady diet of terrorism.
We can't win a war patterned after McNamara's doctrine of "proportional response."

An adage much older than the Vietnam War is still pertinent: The best defense is a good offense. Our
lightning-fast drive to Baghdad a year ago confirms the U.S. military's expertise in offense.

A year after victory, our troops in Iraq are stretched too thin. They are exhausted from the constant and
frustrating vigilance for a threat they can't see coming. We can only end the terrorist attacks by going back
on the offensive against the terrorist enclaves in countries neighboring Iraq.

Ask the PAVN's Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap if defending expanses of land or cities is a nation-building strategy.

Guest Contributor Eric R. Taylor, served in the U.S. Army Chemical Corps before earning his PhD as a biochemist. He is the author of "Lethal Mists: An Introduction to the Natural and
Military Sciences of Chemical, Biological Warfare and Terrorism", and several papers on Weapons of Mass Destruction issues published with the Cato Institute in Washington, DC. He can
be reached at ertaylor@louisiana.edu. Please send Feedback responses to dwfeedback@yahoo.com. ©2004 DefenseWatch. All opinions expressed in this article are the author's and
do not necessarily reflect those of Military.com.
4 posted on 04/07/2004 5:32:59 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
These people are at heart, primitive nomadic tribesmen. You think Democracy works on Untermench like this? The only thing that holds them together is whatever brutal dictatorship (Hussein) or ruthless occupying power (Ottoman Empire, British Empire) that happens to be in charge at the time.

Iraq wasn't ever a nation, just a balkanized assortment of dirtbag tribes with their idiotic hatreds. Better to divide the place up, keep the Kurdish part with the oil under our control, let the rest destroy themselves. We can come back after the ashes cool.

5 posted on 04/07/2004 5:33:03 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
For those who have not seen it, on the "Update on Iraq" thread it is being relayed that the Polish troops have killed Sadr's main man in Karbala.
6 posted on 04/07/2004 5:35:05 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff
God Bless the Poles.
7 posted on 04/07/2004 5:35:46 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic
The only thing the bad guys over there will respond to is force. The trick is to become advisers and let a Democratic Iraq(somethng that can't be achieved overnight) supply the needed force to keep the neanderthals in line. Anyone who thinks we can put a time table to achieve all this is mistaken. We still need to stop calling them(the supposed religious leaders) priests,clerics or imams and describe them for what they are; terrorists.
8 posted on 04/07/2004 5:45:21 AM PDT by keysguy
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So when they say "60 dead Iraqis", do they mean Iraqis on our side or, the rebels?
9 posted on 04/07/2004 5:47:21 AM PDT by excalibur1701
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Too bad folks don't have the view and vantage points I have!
10 posted on 04/07/2004 5:48:00 AM PDT by Eagle Eye ( Saddam-Who's your Bagh-Daddy now?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thank you for your wonderful posts, especially the pics of American soldiers returning home.

Freedom is not free.

11 posted on 04/07/2004 5:49:28 AM PDT by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Amen.

Stay safe, EE!

12 posted on 04/07/2004 5:49:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do.They counted on America to be passive.They counted wrong."- R Reagan)
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To: joesnuffy; rageaholic; keysguy
The press is replaying their pro-enemy, anti-American, anti-military, Vietnam playbook....have been since they started their quagmire-peddling pre-March 19, 2003 with the ANSWER rallies, funded by Saddam-apologists, anti-American lies, portrayed by the international press as legitimate and representing the will of the majority - just as our press misrepresents the will of the majority on the ground in Iraq today.

Our free - thanks to our troops past and present - press is called enemy #1 by our troops for good reason.

The press is running the 2004 DNC election campaign.

Our troops are kicking enemy butt.

If you still believe this enemy is more powerful than our mighty, honorable, military - you need to start listening to the troops, our allies - including the millions of victims of Saddam Hussein...who are, unfortunately, also influenced by the 24/7 negative spin from our mighty, unaccountable, press....a press willfully working to undermine morale at home and abroad for partisan power's sake - emboldening our enemies, endangering our troops, as they did during the Vietnam war.

13 posted on 04/07/2004 6:00:56 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do.They counted on America to be passive.They counted wrong."- R Reagan)
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There has not been one idle minute that we haven't thought about our soliders and said prayers for their saftey since we've heard about these vicious attacks against them....this is the most difficult part of war.....but as President Bush stated...we must stay the course.....
14 posted on 04/07/2004 6:04:26 AM PDT by smiley
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To: americanSoul
Freedom is not free, bump!

Our awesome troops need us to be strong, and true...for them, as much as possible....especially on tough days.

The homecoming pics are my favorites, too. I want to type as the headline "I dare you to look!" Lol. Why we fight is important.

15 posted on 04/07/2004 6:05:58 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do.They counted on America to be passive.They counted wrong."- R Reagan)
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To: smiley
Amen, smiley...and we are not alone, though it sometimes seems that way to turn on our news.
16 posted on 04/07/2004 6:06:57 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do.They counted on America to be passive.They counted wrong."- R Reagan)
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The Iraki scumbags know they can influence the election here, the more brutally and graphically they can execute an American POW or kidnapped reporter, the more American blood they can shed, the more likely they'll get their candidate Kerry in Office.

Falluja was deliberately planned and executed for the benefit of the squeamish American voter. Watch for more extreme atrocities in the near future.

Whole thing makes me sick.

17 posted on 04/07/2004 6:07:47 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"They are a little people, silly, barberous and cruel..."

from Lawrence of Arabia
18 posted on 04/07/2004 6:15:05 AM PDT by The Louiswu (I am a - 40-something White, Republican and proud of it!)
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To: joesnuffy
Mr. Taylor,

I worked a great deal with SOG teams in Laos and Cambodia (SOG actually meant "studies and observation groups" -They were doing a lot more than studying and observing. Pretty much an unsung group of guys whose activities are rarely mentioned.
19 posted on 04/07/2004 6:15:09 AM PDT by sargunner
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They [American Commanders in Iraq] will decide what they need, and they will get what they need," Rumsfeld said.

Suggestion to Rummy:

COMPLETE ANNIHILATION OF "INSURGENCY" BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

20 posted on 04/07/2004 6:17:09 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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