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Schiavo's marks still a mystery
SPTIMES ^ | March 31, 2004 | STEPHEN NOHLGREN

Posted on 03/31/2004 8:15:52 AM PST by a5478

CLEARWATER - Terri Schiavo returned to her assisted living home Tuesday after a hurried round of hospital tests were conducted to determine the cause of five puncture marks found on her arms.

A toxicology test came back negative, meaning there's no evidence that Schiavo, 40, was secretly injected with a foreign substance.

Clearwater police "have found no evidence of a crime and no evidence of an attempted crime," said spokesman Wayne Shelor.

And Schiavo's personal doctor, summoned to her bed in the assisted living facility Monday night, said Tuesday that he's not "100 percent sure" the marks were even made by a needle.

But the marks remain unexplained, the latest twist in the long, strange right-to-die case of Terri Schiavo.

"It could be that the skin was broken, maybe by someone's fingernail or jewelry," said Schiavo's physician, Dr. Stanton Tripodis. "There was just an unusual appearance to these marks."

George Felos, an attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, suggested in a news release that her parents might have stuck her repeatedly with a needle during a visit to her room earlier that day.

After Felos issued his news release, ABC, CBS, Fox News, CNN, the Canadian Broadcasting Network and numerous newspapers peppered Clearwater police for details.

"In 15 years, I have dealt with everything from (dead Scientologist) Lisa McPherson to the Virgin Mary (window image)," Shelor said, "and I have never consulted with this many media on a national level in one day."

George Tragos, who represents Schiavo's parents, denied that they stuck their daughter with a needle.

"They have no idea what (Felos) is talking about," Tragos said. "This is an outrageous abuse of the process. To issue a press release about something there was no evidence about was basically an outrageous method to get some kind of judicial advantage."

Schiavo collapsed 14 years ago and exists in what the courts have called a "persistent vegetative state." Michael Schiavo, her guardian, wants to remove the feeding tube that keeps her alive. Judges agree with him.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have fought to keep her alive. They have found an ally in Gov. Jeb Bush, who wants to reopen the court case and review the evidence.

Tuesday morning, Bush asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to monitor Felos' needle allegations. FDLE spokesman Rick Morera said Clearwater police have not asked for help and will continue to be the lead investigative agency.

The Schindlers visited their daughter for about 45 minutes Monday afternoon at the Park Place assisted living home in Clearwater, where she lives while her permanent home at Hospice of the Florida Suncoast undergoes renovations. The Schindlers typically see her about twice a week.

After they left, an aide noticed that Schiavo was disheveled, Felos said. Her feeding tube was wrapped around her back. An armband was higher than usual on her arm.

"The aide knew something was wrong immediately and called the head nurse to come in," Felos said. "Somebody noticed a couple of marks on her arms." A purple needle cap was found on her gown.

Tripodis, Schiavo's doctor, was called to examine her. Tripodis said the marks were fresh puncture wounds "consistent with little needle marks."

Schiavo receives medication through her feeding tube and had not had any blood drawn recently, he said. So the marks were unexplained, and she was sent to Morton Plant-Mease Hospital.

"I really can't say what is the most likely explanation. I'm not a forensic scientist," Tripodis said.

Felos said he got his information from his client, Michael Schiavo, who could not be reached for comment.

Tragos, the Schindlers' attorney, noted that an off-duty Clearwater police officer is stationed outside Schiavo's room, a security measure paid for by the hospice. When people visit, the door to her room remains open. On Monday, a nurse stopped by at least once during the Schindlers' visit - hardly an atmosphere for skulduggery, he said.

"To suggest that these people who have given their lives to save (their daughter's) life would do anything to harm her is an absurd idea," Tragos said.

Toxicology tests at Morton Plant ruled out the prospect that someone injected something harmful into Schiavo. Felos said he didn't know whether any tests were done to determine whether blood had been drawn from her, which could qualify as a crime of battery.

Clearwater police intend to interview the Schindlers, Michael Schiavo, medical staff "and anyone who had any contact with Mrs. Schiavo," Shelor said. "We have no evidence of any crime but will continue an inquiry."

During the investigation, Michael Schiavo is not allowing his wife to have visitors - including her parents.

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KEYWORDS: abuse; disabled; michaelschiavo; schaivo; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; terrisfight; vegetable
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"In 15 years, I have dealt with everything from (dead Scientologist) Lisa McPherson to the Virgin Mary (window image)," Shelor said, "and I have never consulted with this many media on a national level in one day."

Finally! What is happening to Terri Schiavo is important! Call Fox, Call MSNBC, Call your mother. Let's let everyone know what is happening.

Note: Previouse news reports state that the only person allowed in Terri's room without supervision is Michael Schiavo. Find those quotes and send 'em out....The news agencies local and national need to be reminded.

1 posted on 03/31/2004 8:15:52 AM PST by a5478
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To: a5478
Skeeters.
2 posted on 03/31/2004 8:22:30 AM PST by spunkets
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To: a5478
the only person allowed in Terri's room without supervision is Michael Schiavo

   
"Now if we just had a motive..."
3 posted on 03/31/2004 8:25:22 AM PST by anonymous_user (Only fools trust the partisan media.)
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To: a5478
Felos said he got his information from his client, Michael Schiavo, who could not be reached for comment.

'Nough said.

4 posted on 03/31/2004 8:35:46 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: anonymous_user
Does the door remain open - and a guard on duty - at ALL times? Or is the evil HINO still allowed to close the door? Good God Almight - Please watch over Terri. Amen.
5 posted on 03/31/2004 8:37:24 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: a5478; Pegita; floriduh voter; phenn; FL_engineer; MindBender26; pc93; FR_addict; amdgmary; ...
thanks for posting this.
6 posted on 03/31/2004 8:40:46 AM PST by cyn (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: a5478
Michael Schiavo and his evil lawyer George Felos are trying to pin this on the parents, so they can block further visitation rights.

Earlier reports pointed out that Felos is also chair of the board of directors of this nursing home. If that is still true, then he has a vile and dangerous conflict of interests in this whole affair.
7 posted on 03/31/2004 8:42:19 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Saundra Duffy
During the investigation, Michael Schiavo is not allowing his wife to have visitors - including her parents.

SO, he accomplished his goal. NO VISITS FROM PARENTS.

He can kill her now, without anyone noticing. I suppose, that the investigation will continue for quite a while (even though it has been stated by police the investigation is closed already).

Another one of those contradictions, which should be obvious to everyone, but will be totally ignored by the police, the judge, the hospice staff, most people in the United States.

The next time Terri's parents get to see her, will be at her funeral, where they won't even get to see her body, as Michael plans to CREMATE HER THE INSTANT SHE IS DECLARED DEAD. (gotta make sure there is no evidence left)

This is not a guess, this is fact.

8 posted on 03/31/2004 8:45:25 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The LINE has been drawn. While the narrow minded see a line, the rest see a circle.)
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To: a5478
Insulin is not a "foreign substance" and you can die if too much is injected.
9 posted on 03/31/2004 8:50:29 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: a5478; SendShaqtoIraq; syriacus; AAABEST; Jackie-O; Catspaw; countrydummy; walford; ...
'"It could be that the skin was broken, maybe by someone's fingernail or jewelry," said Schiavo's physician, Dr. Stanton Tripodis. "There was just an unusual appearance to these marks."'

-- VS --

'Tripodis, Schiavo's doctor, was called to examine her. Tripodis said the marks were fresh puncture wounds "consistent with little needle marks."'

10 posted on 03/31/2004 8:57:28 AM PST by cyn (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: coloradan
I wondered. There had been some discussion about that earlier.
11 posted on 03/31/2004 8:57:31 AM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: a5478
Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that You are Sovereign ... no matter the plans of man, You will decide. Keep us centered in that, O God, for we cannot fathom the many twists and turns that surround this mother's child. Overshadow Terri with the heavenly host, for evil is waiting to overtake her. Keep harm away, for it waits to end her life. Unmask those who would have her die, for they appear as caring. Sustain her parents with supernatural strength, for they have borne a burden of love that has lasted these many years. We pray that You would give to them the desire of their hearts ... to have the joy of caring for their beloved daughter for the rest of her natural life. May it be thus, O Lord ... may it be thus, in the Name of Jesus, Amen ...
12 posted on 03/31/2004 9:00:58 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: cyn
It doesn't add up.
Something is amiss.
And Steve Wonder could see that much.

Tripodis is hiding something since his two statements do not match add up or even come close to being easily explainable.
Needle tracks are very distinct in their appearance, and scratches or jewelry pokes do not even come close to looking at all similar.
13 posted on 03/31/2004 9:05:18 AM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for the day: Don't annoy the penguins, the Penguins will explode and destroy all human life!)
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To: cyn
The whole plan was to plant the marks, have Terri's parents blamed so they could be kept from seeing her anymore, then calm everyone with 'nothing's wrong'. HERR DOKTOR seems to be in cahoots with Michael, and Felos. Gee, imagine that.

And you are right. The public mostly ignores the contradiction in opinion by the doctor. (How many times do I have to see the lies?)

14 posted on 03/31/2004 9:09:06 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The LINE has been drawn. While the narrow minded see a line, the rest see a circle.)
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To: cyn
yes I noted that........seems like Mike is now trying to back track.......oops! The scum bag!
15 posted on 03/31/2004 9:10:11 AM PST by countrydummy (http://chat.agitator.dynip.com)
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To: coloradan
AND you are exactly correct. Michael seems to have been injecting insulin for a while now. Attempting to cause her death.

Michael seems to have picked up the DEMOCRAT trick.

Blame others for exactly what you are doing, not them, and plant evidence to make them look guilty. Call in the press and have a show.

16 posted on 03/31/2004 9:11:53 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The LINE has been drawn. While the narrow minded see a line, the rest see a circle.)
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To: Darksheare
No, it doesn't add up. I had to go back to re-read what Dr. Tripodis said thinking the statements were from two different people. Of course he backs off when people started asking questions claiming he's not experienced in such. Hello, a doctor knows what needle marks, not one but FIVE, look like.

This article failed to state that she was in street clothes when the parents left. Shoddy journalism. If anyone is near this reporter, give him a call so he can write the whole story in tomorrow's paper.
17 posted on 03/31/2004 9:13:21 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: cyn
Thanks for the ping, cyn. I wonder what it would take for Jeb Bush to also order the FDLE to monitor an investigation of Terri's two recently and mysteriously "missing" teeth? Whatever caused those recent and mysterious puncture marks and missing teeth sure seems to be a pattern of abuse.

The Schindlers have stated publicly that when they left Terri yesterday she was dressed in street clothes. Felos says she was in a "gown" and says he got all his information about this from Michael Schiavo. Hmmm...who to believe...the Schindlers, or Michael Shiavo? < / sarcasm>

The question is, who had something to gain by injuring Terri in this way? The parents, who would be prevented from seeing their daughter as a result of an investigation? Or, Michael Shiavo who doesn't want the parents to see Terri? This is not rocket science!
18 posted on 03/31/2004 9:17:42 AM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: coloradan
True, insulin isn't a "foreign substance". Neither is a dozen other substances that are toxic if given in high dosages. Air was mentioned yesterday. It could also be to set up the parents. Or it could be someone who was angry with Terri and wanted to hurt her by stabbing her several times. Guards have to have meal and potty breaks and can easily be distracted long enough for something to happen. Whatever the case, she needs to be moved to a new facility and have cameras posted 24/7.
19 posted on 03/31/2004 9:18:18 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: cyn
Cyn, where's the Daily Thread? If you know, please ping me there to copy & paste this: WEDNESDAY NEWS:

A toxicology test comes back negative, but officials still aren't sure what caused five puncture marks on her arms. http://www.sptimes.com/2004/03/31/Tampabay/Schiavo_s_marks_still.shtml

And Schiavo's personal doctor, summoned to her bed in the assisted living facility Monday night, said Tuesday that he's not "100 percent sure" the marks were even made by a needle.

George Felos, an attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, suggested in a news release that her parents might have stuck her repeatedly with a needle during a visit to her room earlier that day.

George Felos's Press Release: http://www.zimp.org/documents/felosrelease.txt

FV UPDATE THIS A.M. I heard on local news this a.m. The puncture wounds are now being characterized as SCRATCHES. RUSH TO JUDGMENT BY FELOS? He's getting anxious which is why we can't take our eyes off of Terri. The Vigils at Park Place AL in Clearwater will be held EVERY EVENING arrive at 5:00 pm or later. BRING A SIGN with Terri's name on it or just her web site url www.terrisfight.org. Drivers at the new location intersection which is fabulous don't even know who Terri is. That's because Terri was ignored so long by the local media. Now they are showing both sides at long last!

20 posted on 03/31/2004 9:21:17 AM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org/ Invite to my Site)
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