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Vatican Split On AIDS, Condoms
AP ^ | March 23, 2004

Posted on 03/24/2004 9:50:06 AM PST by presidio9

Vatican cardinal, Alfonso Lopez Trujillo of Colombia, made headlines last year when he said condoms don't prevent AIDS and may help spread it because they create a false sense of security.

But three months later another cardinal, Godfried Danneels of Belgium, told a Catholic TV program that if an HIV-positive person insists on having sex, "he has to use a condom. Otherwise he will commit a sin" by risking transmission of a potentially fatal virus.

A third cardinal, Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, told The Associated Press recently that condoms could sometimes be condoned — such as when a woman can't refuse her HIV-positive husband's sexual advances — since preserving her life is paramount. "You can defend yourself with any means," he said.

So just what is the Roman Catholic Church's position? It depends on whom you ask. Contrary to what some think, there is no official, authoritative Vatican policy on using condoms to protect against AIDS.

According to several top churchmen and theologians recently interviewed, the issue is being debated within the Vatican and is still far from resolution.

The question isn't just an academic or religious one. In areas such as sub-Saharan Africa, hard-hit by AIDS, it's a matter of life and death, and the Vatican is accused by some of failing to come down on the side of life.

The Rev. Angel Rodriguez Luno, professor of moral theology at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome, offers two examples to show how complex the question is.

A Catholic cannot discuss condom use with children in school, because "this is inciting them to use them." But if he were a social worker telling prostitutes they risk getting AIDS unless they make their customers use condoms, "I am not doing anything bad. I am lessening the bad."

"But I can't say this in a school. I can't say this in a newspaper," he said. "I must go to the areas where they are and say to them: 'At least do this. You should stop, but at least do this.'"

Over the years, the church has mapped out its opposition to artificial contraception, most famously in the 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, or "Of Human Life," in which Pope Paul VI asserted the inseparable link between the unifying and reproductive dimensions of sexual intercourse for husband and wife.

But that document and others deal with using condoms as contraception, not as protection against a potentially fatal virus. The Vatican hasn't issued its most authoritative type of teaching — an encyclical — specifically about condoms and AIDS, although it has maintained that abstinence is the best protection.

Yet various cardinals and Vatican offices have made their views known in public discussions and documents over the years, perhaps no one more so than Cardinal Lopez Trujillo, who is president of the Pontifical Council for the Family.

In October, Lopez Trujillo repeated to the BBC his claim that condoms don't help because the HIV virus is small enough to "easily pass through" the condom.

The World Health Organization, among others, said the cardinal's message was dangerous and "totally wrong." The U.N. agency said that condoms are 90 percent effective when used correctly and that the other 10 percent fail because they are used incorrectly.

Dr. Joep Lange, professor of medicine at the University of Amsterdam and president of the International AIDS Society, said in an interview that published medical studies had shown that when one partner is HIV-positive, "consistent condom use is associated with non-transmission."

Lopez Trujillo penned a lengthy defense in December, arguing that since condoms don't offer 100 percent protection, it was misleading and dangerous to speak of "safe sex."

"Safe sex" campaigns were actually increasing promiscuity by giving users a false sense of security, he said.

On another side of the debate sits the Rev. Charles Curran, a Catholic professor of human values at Southern Methodist University who was censured by the Vatican in 1986 for his opposition to church teaching on contraception, among other issues, and barred from teaching theology at the Catholic University of America.

For him, the question boils down to the traditional Catholic understanding of advocating the "lesser of two evils" — if someone is contemplating killing his neighbor, one could counsel him to instead burn down his barn since that would be the lesser evil.

Curran cited an example from the 1960s: The Vatican itself condoned giving contraceptive pills to nuns at risk of rape by fighters in the Congo to prevent pregnancy.

If the issue were anything other than condoms and AIDS "they'd have no trouble with the 'lesser of two evils,"' he said in a phone interview. "They're so on the defensive on this that they're unwilling to recognize that traditional Catholic principles would allow this."

Rodriguez Luno is a Spanish adviser to the Vatican's orthodoxy watchdog, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He accepts that Curran's argument is supported by church texts dating back 200 years.

He reasons that sex outside marriage is already a sin against the Sixth Commandment, which forbids adultery. "If you transmit a fatal illness, that's also a sin against the Fifth Commandment," which says "Thou shalt not kill."

"If you use a condom, you don't eliminate the danger, but you diminish it, so the offense against the Fifth Commandment is lessened a little. It would diminish more if you stopped this behavior, but if you don't want to, what can you do?"

But he said if the Holy See promoted such an argument it would inevitably provoke the headline "The Vatican says yes to condoms!"'

Yet at a lower level, some bishops' conferences have suggested exceptions to the Vatican rule. In 2001, as it grappled with soaring HIV rates, the Southern African Catholic Bishops' Conference condemned HIV-prevention programs that endorsed condom use. However, it said married couples with the virus could use condoms if they abstained from sex while the woman was ovulating. That way, the condom wouldn't prevent the creation of life.

Bishop Kevin Dowling of Rustenburg, South Africa, who had pressed the bishops' conference to embrace condom usage, says even applying the "lesser of two evils" argument is questionable.

"If one were to use them to promote health — life rather than death — then one is not grudgingly accepting one evil to prevent a greater one but rather is promoting something that in the context is not simply good but a moral imperative," he wrote in U.S. Catholic magazine last November.

Such an argument falls under another tenet of Catholic moral theology — the "double effect." That's the theological argument that an HIV-positive person using a condom isn't doing so for contraception, but for health.

However, Janet E. Smith, head of life ethics at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, noted that rape excepted, sex is a voluntary act and there is 100 percent safe alternative: abstinence.

"A question can be raised about why if you love someone, one would want to engage in an action that might transmit a disease," she said in an interview.

The Bush administration is actively promoting "abstinence-only" education, which urges young people to remain chaste until marriage and excludes any mention of condoms except to depict them as unreliable. Major U.S. medical organizations, as well as researchers at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, have recommended programs that educate young people about condoms and other contraception, as well about abstinence.

With such differing views, the way churchmen handle the issue comes down to nuance, said Bishop Anthony Fisher, founding director of the Australian branch of the John Paul II Institute for Marriage and Family, which the pope established in 1982 to promote his views on family life.

It may sound hypocritical or confusing, he acknowledged, but there are things you can say privately to someone who comes for pastoral counseling that you can't put in a public education campaign.

When Lopez Trujillo speaks, he is the Vatican's voice to the world and has to promote a simple, consistent message, Fisher said in a recent interview.

"Are individual doctors or clinics giving contrary positions? I think that is going to keep happening."


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1 posted on 03/24/2004 9:50:06 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Why do people need a church decision for something that is common sense?
2 posted on 03/24/2004 9:58:41 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Godfried Danneels of Belgium, told a Catholic TV program that if an HIV-positive person insists on having sex, "he has to use a condom. Otherwise he will commit a sin" by risking transmission of a potentially fatal virus.

Media enjoys making this issue-since their ultimate goal is to undermine Church teaching- Most HIV's could probably care less what the Vatican thinks-

3 posted on 03/24/2004 10:06:17 AM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: presidio9
Perhaps the eventual position of the Catholic Church will be that it is a sin to wear a condom to prevent having children, but it's all right to wear a condomn to prevent HIV.
4 posted on 03/24/2004 10:21:09 AM PST by curmudgeonII (Time wound all heels.)
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To: presidio9
Not being anti-catholic,but Monty Python summed it up best:

MR. HARRY BLACKITT:
Look at them, bloody Catholics, filling the bloody world up with bloody
people they can't afford to bloody feed.
MRS. BLACKITT:
What are we dear?
MR. BLACKITT:
Protestant, and fiercely proud of it.
MRS. BLACKITT:
Hmm. Well, why do they have so many children?
MR. BLACKITT:
Because... every time they have sexual intercourse, they have to have a
baby.
MR. BLACKITT:
Oh, yes, and, what's more, because we don't believe in all that Papist
claptrap, we can take precautions.
MRS. BLACKITT:
What, you mean... lock the door?
MR. BLACKITT:
No, no. I mean, because we are members of the Protestant Reformed
Church, which successfully challenged the autocratic power of the Papacy
in the mid-sixteenth century, we can wear little rubber devices to
prevent issue.
MRS. BLACKITT:
What d'you mean?
MR. BLACKITT:
I could, if I wanted, have sexual intercourse with you,...
MRS. BLACKITT:
Oh, yes, Harry.
MR. BLACKITT:
...and, by wearing a rubber sheath over my old feller, I could insure...
that, when I came off, you would not be impregnated.
MRS. BLACKITT:
Ooh!
MR. BLACKITT:
That's what being a Protestant's all about. That's why it's the church
for me. That's why it's the church for anyone who respects the
individual and the individual's right to decide for him or herself. When
Martin Luther nailed his protest up to the church door in
fifteen-seventeen, he may not have realised the full significance of
what he was doing, but four hundred years later, thanks to him, my dear,
I can wear whatever I want on my John Thomas,... [sniff] ...and,
Protestantism doesn't stop at the simple condom! Oh, no! I can wear
French Ticklers if I want.
MRS. BLACKITT:
You what?
MR. BLACKITT:
French Ticklers. Black Mambos. Crocodile Ribs. Sheaths that are designed
not only to protect, but also to enhance the stimulation of sexual
congress.
MRS. BLACKITT:
Have you got one?
MR. BLACKITT:
Have I got one? Uh, well, no, but I can go down the road any time I want
and walk into Harry's and hold my head up high and say in a loud, steady
voice, 'Harry, I want you to sell me a condom. In fact, today, I think
I'll have a French Tickler, for I am a Protestant.'
MRS. BLACKITT:
Well, why don't you?
MR. BLACKITT:
But they-- Well, they cannot, 'cause their church never made the great
leap out of the Middle Ages and the domination of alien episcopal
supremacy.
NARRATOR #1:
But, despite the attempts of Protestants to promote the idea of sex for
pleasure, children continued to multiply everywhere.
5 posted on 03/24/2004 10:25:42 AM PST by scotsman1
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To: curmudgeonII
I can see the Church saying that it is ok for married people to use a condom if one person has an STD and the other does not.


BTW, it is virtually impossible for a woman to infect a man with AIDS. The liberal agenda does not want you to know this.
6 posted on 03/24/2004 10:46:01 AM PST by presidio9 (Boston Sucks)
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To: presidio9
BTW, it is virtually impossible for a woman to infect a man with AIDS. The liberal agenda does not want you to know this.
Really? How so? Or, how not?
7 posted on 03/24/2004 11:13:53 AM PST by akorahil
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To: presidio9
BTW, it is virtually impossible for a woman to infect a man with AIDS. The liberal agenda does not want you to know this.

I am under the impression that the vast majority of AIDS cases in Africa are spread heterosexually.

8 posted on 03/24/2004 11:30:50 AM PST by curmudgeonII (Time wound all heels.)
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To: akorahil
Unless a man has an open wound on his penis, he is unlikely to absorb and bodily fluids from a woman during intercourse.
9 posted on 03/24/2004 11:40:31 AM PST by presidio9 (Boston Sucks)
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To: presidio9
Are you familiar with the preference of many African men for what is politely called "dry sex"? I've seen this offered as an explanation for how many Africans become infected with the AIDS virus from heterosexual intercourse.
10 posted on 03/24/2004 11:44:07 AM PST by independentmind
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To: curmudgeonII
I am under the impression that the vast majority of AIDS cases in Africa are spread heterosexually.

Not true.

AIDS transmission in Africa

11 posted on 03/24/2004 11:46:40 AM PST by presidio9 (Boston Sucks)
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To: presidio9
>The U.N. agency said that condoms are 90 percent effective when used correctly and that the other 10 percent fail because they are used incorrectly.

Computer models
might be interesting here.
One infection rate

applies in contexts
where there's no ad campaign. Then,
another applies

where the condom ads
make people think they're safer
but also includes

the ten percent bit
for users who use them wrong.
It seems to me that

if total usage
goes up enough, failure rates
could drive infections

above the levels
of the initial context,
before condom ads . . .

This good adult stuff
needs to be added to things
such as Sim City . . .

12 posted on 03/24/2004 11:50:07 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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