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New Wall in Jerusalem May Be Permanent (GAG-A-MAGGOT!!)
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 12, 2004 | Ravi Nessmann

Posted on 01/12/2004 2:19:51 PM PST by Alouette

ABU DIS, West Bank - With the thud of tons of concrete hitting soft earth, Israel worked Monday to build a 25-foot-tall wall on the edge of Jerusalem, signaling Israel's encirclement of the city is becoming permanent.

The wall, running down the center of a main road in the Palestinian neighborhood of Abu Dis, separates thousands of residents from Jerusalem, a city they consider home.

The towering new wall replaces a far shorter divider that had slowed, but not stopped, the flow of people and goods between the West Bank and Jerusalem in this area.

It is part of a barrier Israel is building around much of the West Bank with the stated aim of keeping out Palestinian militants responsible for suicide bombings that have killed hundreds of Israelis in the past three years.

Palestinian leaders have reacted with anger to the building of the barrier, a line of walls, trenches, fences and razor wire that snakes through parts of West Bank land that Palestinians claim for a future state.

Palestinian officials have taken to referring to the West Bank barrier as a new Berlin Wall. That wall — built to prevent East Germans from fleeing to the West — was between 11.5 feet and 13.8 feet tall.

Although Israel says the barrier can be moved if the sides ever negotiate a peace treaty, Israel's critics say it is in effect creating a new border that gobbles up almost half the West Bank and cuts it off from Jerusalem.

Along its path, the barrier has cut Palestinians off from their fields and schools, their hospitals and businesses.

But in Abu Dis, a suburb in the shadow of Jerusalem's Mount of Olives, the new wall strikes far deeper emotional chords.

During previous peace efforts, negotiators had proposed Abu Dis as the center of a compromise Palestinian capital that would have incorporated parts of east Jerusalem — the part of the city that Israel captured in 1967 and that Palestinians want as their future capital.

The building slated to hold the future Palestinian parliament is in Abu Dis, as are many government offices. Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia lives there.

Many Abu Dis residents consider themselves Jerusalemites, carry the blue identification card of residents of Israel and pay Jerusalem city taxes. They go to Jerusalem for work and school, to shop and visit family, to collect marriage licenses and death certificates.

But the new wall puts a stop to that. With Arab neighborhoods on both sides, it also separates relatives.

"This is unnatural and unacceptable," said Salah Bader, an Abu Dis official. "They are tightening the rope around our necks"

Construction crews arrived Saturday night and began tearing down the old 6-foot-tall concrete and barbed wire barrier that had become a local joke.

Students, laborers, businessmen in suits and even elderly women had scrambled over the barrier daily, stepping on boxes and large rocks to reach the top.

But there was no laughter Monday, when the construction crews erected in its place an impassable wall four times as tall that runs down the center of Shayah Street, a road of shops and apartments that marked the once invisible divide between Abu Dis and the Jerusalem neighborhood of Ras al Amud.

As earth movers ripped down the short, graffiti-scrawled old barrier, bulldozers dug out a long pit that cranes filled with the massive slabs of the new 25-foot-tall barrier.

Defense Ministry officials said only two miles of the section of the barrier around Jerusalem would be a wall.

The construction here has dismayed and angered residents.

Ziad Abu Rmeine, a 30-year-old grocer whose store is on one side of the divide and whose house is on the other, watched as the new wall rose in front of his business.

Half his customers come from the West Bank side. Much of his fruit and vegetables do as well, and his suppliers used to hand him the crates over the shorter wall, an impossibility now.

Unsure if there will even be checkpoints for him to cross, Abu Rmeine worries he will soon have to decide between his shrinking business and his wife and three children.

"The wall ... is a final division. You have to choose which side to stay on," he said.

The Israeli Defense Ministry says it has not yet decided where to put the crossing points for the Jerusalem section of the barrier or how many there will be, but it anticipates they will help restore freedom of movement.

Nezah Mashiah, head of the barrier project at the ministry, says the wall in Abu Dis is being built so high to protect against a direct line of fire from long-range weapons.

The previous, shorter obstacle was not actually part of the official security barrier, he said. "That was nothing, just something built by local forces," Mashiah said.

People in Abu Dis worry about the disruption the wall will cause.

Where once they simply walked west over a street to enter Jerusalem, now they have to head east and loop around the Maaleh Adumim settlement, a trip that could take half an hour by car, and even more if they are stopped at checkpoints.

Residents used to go to hospitals a few minutes away in Jerusalem for emergencies. Now the closest are in the West Bank town of Jericho, 15 miles away.

Yazid Abu Hliel, 31, worries his four children will not be able to cross from their home in the West Bank to school in Jerusalem and he won't be able to reach his job as a floor polisher.

"They are putting us into prisons," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: goodfence; israel; jerusalem; securitybarrier; wall
They wanted "Traditionally Arab East Jerusalem" as their Palestinian capital? Well now they got it. So what's with all the whining?

You mean they want ALL OF JERUSALEM for their Palestinian capital? Oh.

1 posted on 01/12/2004 2:19:52 PM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 01/12/2004 2:20:31 PM PST by Alouette (Proud parent of an IDF recruit!)
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To: Alouette
I saw an interview with the girl who was arrested before she could serve as a suicide bomber. The whole time she was talking, I kept thinking what a good idea this wall is.
3 posted on 01/12/2004 2:22:21 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody
Have you noticed you AP has managed to sneak a screechy Palestinian diatribe op-ed into a so-called "news" item? Who do they think they are, the BBC?
4 posted on 01/12/2004 2:24:13 PM PST by Alouette (Proud parent of an IDF recruit!)
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To: Alouette
Recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewsh state and and stop the terror.

Oh, never mind, just build the damn wall and let the piglets fend for themselves..

5 posted on 01/12/2004 2:28:04 PM PST by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: Alouette
Residents used to go to hospitals a few minutes away in Jerusalem for emergencies. Now the closest are in the West Bank town of Jericho, 15 miles away.

Evil Zionist hospitals? And the ones in Jericho... Pali facilities? What's the problem?

6 posted on 01/12/2004 2:28:45 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Alouette
Along its path, the barrier has cut Palestinians off from their fields and schools, their hospitals and businesses.

THEIR schools huh? THEIR fields huh? THEIR hospitals huh?

I suspect that ISRAEL built this stuff. What has a palestinian EVER done but kill?

Palestianians have never invented anyhting, never built anything - they have just sucked from Israels breast. It's about time Israel weened these interlopers...
7 posted on 01/12/2004 2:40:46 PM PST by Roughneck (". . .For there is going to come a time when people won't listen to the truth. . .")
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To: Roughneck
"The wall ... is a final division. You have to choose which side to stay on," he said.

Great news!
8 posted on 01/12/2004 2:41:55 PM PST by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: Alouette
Buh-bye, Palestine.
9 posted on 01/12/2004 2:47:33 PM PST by Procyon
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To: Alouette
The Pallies could have already had a state with roughly 97% of what they claimed that they wanted, including parts of Jerusalem. Instead, their leaders have chosen to send children to murder children, in an effort to get 100% of what they really want, which is 100% of the area between the Med and the Jordan River to be Judenfrei.

For some reason or other, the Israelis aren't going along with that. The way I look at it, that's just too bad for the Pallies - maybe they should get new leaders, leaders who will bring them peace and prosperity instead of war, death and no economy to speak of.

10 posted on 01/12/2004 3:33:15 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Alouette
The wall is stupid. Instead of walling off half of Eretz Yisra'el, the Jews should expel the Arabs and then occupy the Land in its totality.

But of course they can't do this. It would cause other people not to like them. As if the rest of the world doesn't hate them already.

11 posted on 01/12/2004 3:56:20 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Forget the wall. Rebuild the Temple!)
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Right you are. We seem to have this screwy idea that the more Arab a** we kiss, the more the world will love us. You see how well that's worked so far.
12 posted on 01/12/2004 4:40:37 PM PST by Tabi Katz
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To: zarf
"This is unnatural and unacceptable," said Salah Bader, an Abu Dis official. "They are tightening the rope around our necks"

Quit killing Israeli children, then..

13 posted on 01/12/2004 4:43:25 PM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: Alouette; All
YOu know what it kinda sad that wall went up but Palenseirns if you keep send suicide bomber maybe Israel don't have build the wall HELLO
14 posted on 01/12/2004 6:38:59 PM PST by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Alouette
Blah blah blah. I've read several articles on this fence and they all say the same things; poor Palestinians, lead to more violence, ties to the land, blah blah blah. But they avoid saying the things I want to know, how much has been done and how long will it be before it is completed?
15 posted on 01/12/2004 8:15:21 PM PST by chmst
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To: cardinal4
I would use a real, rather than a metaphorical rope. Maybe he would stop whining.
16 posted on 01/12/2004 8:20:14 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Alouette
"With Arab neighborhoods on both sides, it also separates relatives."

As I understand it, Palestinians are pretty much mingled amongst the Jewish residents. I'm guessing it would be impossible to locate a wall such that all Palestinians were on one side, and all Jewish residents on the other. So, the point is spurious. (Of course, forced relocation could resolve the issue, if the author is interested in an answer to the dilemma.)
17 posted on 01/12/2004 8:29:57 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Rocky
I heard on one of the talk shows today that the reasom Howard Dean's wife won't appear with him in campaigns is that she is very much taller than he is. I have also heard that Dean is very sensitive about his stature...or lack of it.
18 posted on 01/12/2004 8:33:46 PM PST by abenaki
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To: Alouette
built to prevent East Germans from fleeing to the West — was between 11.5 feet and 13.8 feet tall.

Somehow I don't see a parrallel from a wall built to keep people out and wall built to keep people in. Am I the only one?

19 posted on 01/12/2004 8:35:36 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: Alouette
Good fences make good neighbors :o)
20 posted on 01/12/2004 9:00:25 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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