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Saddam Behind Anthrax Attacks?
Accuracy In Media ^ | January 1, 2004 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 01/05/2004 7:37:52 PM PST by joinedafterattack

In a major development, potentially as significant as the capture of Saddam Hussein, investigative journalist Richard Miniter says there is evidence to indicate Saddam’s anthrax program was capable of producing the kind of anthrax that hit America shortly after 9/11. Miniter, author of Losing bin Laden, told Accuracy in Media that during November he interviewed U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay in Baghdad and that he was "absolutely shocked and astonished" at the sophistication of the Iraqi program.....Miniter said that Kay told him that, "the Iraqis had developed new techniques for drying and milling anthrax—techniques that were superior to anything the United States or the old Soviet Union had.....In a development that has received little media attention, an article in the November 28th issue of Science magazine focuses on the testimony of experts that the nature of the anthrax used against America.....

Full Article Here:
http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2004/01/01.html

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aim; amerithrax; anthrax; antraz; bw; hussein; iraq; iraqiwmds; kay; miniter; saddam; wmd
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1 posted on 01/05/2004 7:37:52 PM PST by joinedafterattack
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2 posted on 01/05/2004 7:39:01 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: joinedafterattack
If true the FBI owes one scientist and a couple of ponds in Maryland an apology.
3 posted on 01/05/2004 7:40:22 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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In a major development, potentially as significant as the capture of Saddam Hussein, investigative journalist Richard Miniter says there is evidence to indicate Saddam’s anthrax program was capable of producing the kind of anthrax that hit America shortly after 9/11. Miniter, author of Losing bin Laden, told Accuracy in Media that during November he interviewed U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay in Baghdad and that he was "absolutely shocked and astonished" at the sophistication of the Iraqi program.

Miniter said that Kay told him that, "the Iraqis had developed new techniques for drying and milling anthrax—techniques that were superior to anything the United States or the old Soviet Union had. That would make the former regime of Saddam Hussein the most sophisticated manufacturer of anthrax in the world." Miniter said there are "intriguing similarities" between the nature of the anthrax that could be produced by Saddam and what hit America after 9/11. The key similarity is that the anthrax is produced in such a way that "hangs in the air much longer than anthrax normally would" and is therefore more lethal.

Nevertheless, the FBI has been operating on the assumption that it was produced by a disgruntled American scientist, perhaps in a basement. The FBI wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars investigating the possibility that the anthrax letters were packaged underwater in a Maryland pond in a special device of some sort.

In a development that has received little media attention, an article in the November 28th issue of Science magazine focuses on the testimony of experts that the nature of the anthrax used against America constituted a major advance in biological weapons technology. The article notes that analysts in the U.S. Army detected silica coatings on the anthrax sent to the U.S. Senate and that special chemicals were used to enhance its ability to form a lethal aerosol. One of those was a super-specialized binder chemical used to keep the silica particles in place on the surface of the spores.

One of the experts quoted in the article told us that, "In my opinion it would be impossible to manufacture a powder like this without state-sponsorship… These are super-specialized areas—and once it is understood just how difficult it is to process powders with these coatings, it becomes immediately obvious that only a highly disciplined state-sponsored program could have achieved this."

Many reports in the media, including Washington Post reporter Marilyn Thompson’s book on the anthrax attacks, have claimed that the Ames strain of anthrax used in the attacks was a U.S. "military strain" and was therefore probably made in the U.S. But experts say the Ames strain was provided to laboratories around the world. The expert told us that, "Far too much focus has been placed on the genetic and DNA analysis of the senate anthrax" which has identified it as the Ames strain. "The real key to finding out who did it is not the DNA analysis, but the analysis of the coatings that were used." He said David Kay should be looking for scientists in Iraq who have developed this technology.

Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of the AIM Report and can be reached at aimeditor@yahoo.com
4 posted on 01/05/2004 7:40:28 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: joinedafterattack
Link to first posting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050309/posts
5 posted on 01/05/2004 7:41:44 PM PST by ironman
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To: joinedafterattack
1998 - "Man suspected of having anthrax predicted attack ; Harris told talk show Iraqis poised to strike," CNN
6 posted on 01/05/2004 7:42:17 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: joinedafterattack
wow.
7 posted on 01/05/2004 7:43:12 PM PST by cookcounty (Howard Dean, mayor of a picturesque small town in New England.)
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To: joinedafterattack; JustPiper
Bump/Ping
8 posted on 01/05/2004 7:43:13 PM PST by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: joinedafterattack; Admin Moderator
Already posted
9 posted on 01/05/2004 7:43:34 PM PST by Allan
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To: joinedafterattack
Nevertheless, the FBI has been operating on the assumption that it was produced by a disgruntled American scientist, perhaps in a basement. The FBI wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars investigating the possibility that the anthrax letters were packaged underwater in a Maryland pond in a special device of some sort.

This is old news. I read an article in the LA Times almost a year ago that said the FBI made a mistake in pursuing the domestic terrorist angle. The antrhax was clearly state sponsored, but they wasted valuable time looking at domestic suspects. It was well known that Iraq had a sohpisticated Antrax program.

I think I read the Science article. Someone posted it. It said the American scientists could only recreate it using very sophisticated processes.

10 posted on 01/05/2004 7:44:30 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Smogger
It may be old news, but about the only place it's being reported is here in FreeRepublic. The FBI will never get off their butts if they aren't prodded on this. Sessions is either a moron or a traitor. He has not put a leash on a single one of the clintonoids at the top of the bureau.
11 posted on 01/05/2004 8:00:15 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Semper Paratus
If true the FBI owes one scientist and a couple of ponds in Maryland an apology.

Not just an apology. What about a few million bucks?

12 posted on 01/05/2004 8:02:33 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Cicero
"Sessions is either a moron or a traitor."

Pssssst! Sessions has been gone since 1993. Bubba fired him just before Vince Foster was found in Fort Marcy Park.

Louis Freeh's time has come and gone, too. The current "moron or traitor" is Robert Mueller.

13 posted on 01/05/2004 8:07:10 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Smogger
Make me a case as to why Iraq had a specific beef against Daschle and Leahy, out of the hundreds of prominent government figures they could have sent letters to.

(Sound of crickets in the background)
14 posted on 01/05/2004 8:17:33 PM PST by John H K
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To: John H K
Whoever sent those letter knew that they would never be opened or read by Dashcle and Leahy. They knew how potent that weaponized Anthrax was. They wanted to see what would happen when they put it in the mail. I bet it exceeded their wildest expectations.
15 posted on 01/05/2004 9:18:15 PM PST by Smogger
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To: John H K
My brother was in Special Forces for 28 years and his explanation of the whole thing is that it was a test of how we as a country would respond. Trying to explain why one Senator got it over another is not material. How else do you explain that one letter had weaponized anthrax and the others did not. It was a test to see the results to be analyzed for a future attack.

Before we went into Iraq my brother said we would not find WMD. He stated, and this may be the case, that if he were Saddam he would have destroyed all but 1 to 2 litters of anthrax. You don't need more than this to create major harm and the chance of hiding it to never be found it increased with such a small amount. If one weaponized letter of anthrax to a senator could potentially kill 100,000 people you don't need more than a litter.
16 posted on 01/05/2004 9:43:54 PM PST by joinedafterattack
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To: John H K
John H K asks:   "Make me a case as to why Iraq had a specific beef against Daschle and Leahy..."

Your question is flawed because it presumes something not in evidence, i.e., "Iraq had a specific beef". If you remove the presumption, then your question answers itself, they were targeted simply because they were prominent government officials.

--Boot Hill

17 posted on 01/05/2004 11:26:01 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Allan
Unless specified we cannot post the article in its entirety, we should, the other thread could and did not
18 posted on 01/06/2004 6:04:03 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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BumPing!
19 posted on 01/06/2004 6:05:03 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: Boot Hill
Or, not merely prominant government officials, but those with a Capital Hill mailing address.

A terrorist who knew the routing single-piece FCM might take from entry at Boca Raton to DC could have been aiming to disable several important postal facilities.

20 posted on 01/06/2004 7:00:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
A terrorist who knew the routing single-piece FCM might take from entry at
Boca Raton to DC could have been aiming to disable several important postal facilities.

Well that lets most of Postal Management off the hook.

21 posted on 01/06/2004 7:12:47 AM PST by ASA Vet (Don't ask me, I'm a AFQT group VI.)
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To: muawiyah
Good, clear, logical thinking. A two-fer, so to speak, ace a prominent politician and blow out key nodes of the postal network at the same time. Interesting for its sophistication, for it would mean that they viewed the postal network the same way a script kiddie views the internet network, when they spread their own form of virus.

--Boot Hill

22 posted on 01/06/2004 12:53:56 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
Or, they not only view it the same way; "they" is "they", "themselves"!

At the moment there is a rash of "letter bombs" which bear a postmark "somewhere in Italy".

Someone who understands modern postal systems knows very well that it's pretty difficult for a fused charge of any kind to make it through the multiple stages of any facing/cancelling operation, or even through the various kinds of sortation equipment it will meet.

So, how do you get a letter bomb delivered if it's going to be triggered in transit?

First of all, you get it cancelled BEFORE you put the bomb into it. I can think of several ways to do that.

Then you load the envelope with the explosive device and hand carry it to the delivery location.

The FBI, among other police organizations, would go crazy investigating the post office of origin where the bomb was loaded into an already cancelled envelope.

It's really not all that difficult to find folks willing to cancel an envelope or two ~ in fact, the USPS will do it for you for a modest fee (as an ordinary feature in the philatelic servicing business). You can find out what post offices are busy with some sort of commemorative cancellation right in the Postal Bulletin (or it's foreign postal system equivalent.)

BTW, I've seen envelopes disintegrate in an 010 operation, stuff flying everywhere. Was it a bomb? Was it bad paper? Was it just that envelope's turn to self-destruct? Best advice when you see that happen is to reverse course, go somewhere else, and call the Inspectors because, after all, it could have been a bomb and where there's one there's two, or maybe three, or more!

My suspicion is there's someone inside AlQaeda who understands the equipment and workings of modern postal systems. They are not smarter than the USPS folks, or even the foreign postal administration people, but, since the advent of the student loan system, they have become much smarter than the FBI in this regard.

Both the present letter bomb problem and the Anthrax Attack of 2001 could be solved in a matter of days by putting postal system experts to work and pulling back the accountants and lawyers at the FBI.

23 posted on 01/06/2004 1:46:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ASA Vet
Hey, that's not fair ~ it's not "MOST", it's more nearly "ALL"~~!

Still, you'll have to admit a good number of them are well-spoken, have the most tasteful in currently fashionable ties, and fit their suits.

Now what more could you want in a "management team"?

24 posted on 01/06/2004 1:48:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"My suspicion is there's someone inside AlQaeda who understands the equipment and workings of modern postal systems."
That's one way to view it, and of course, to get any measure of success, you would have to have someone with an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the postal system, but another way to view this is that the al Qa'ida person that fleshed out the goal for the anthrax attack had a degree in communications theory. Communications theory would tell you what could be done as well as why, while knowledge of the inner workings of the postal system would tell you how to accomplish it. The former being strategy, the latter, tactics.

So we may be seeing two tiers of al Qa'ida ops planning at work behind the anthrax attack.

Interesting line of thought you offer. The key to understanding it being that the prominent targets of the anthrax attack, Daschle and Leahy, while making a wonderful distraction to confuse investigators, were not the primary targets. The primary target was the postal system, itself.

When viewed this way, the attack on Daschle and Leahy make perfect sense for al Qa'ida.

--Boot

25 posted on 01/06/2004 3:33:35 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
Exactly! ~ Now, think backwords on this. If the attack was designed to shut down critical postal facilities (as "critical" might be imagined in the AlQaida mind, if not our own), you get whatever facilities Congress uses (Senate mail room for example), you get the facility used by US Government headquarters agencies, and you knock out the AMF at Dulles, and/or the AMF at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, JFK and Laguardia in New York, and maybe a couple of airlines as well. (AMF = Air Mail Facility).

In most countries that would be a definitive attack. In the US it's not, but most foreigners simply fail to comprehend how big the American empire really is!

To get this scenario to work (at the destination), AlQaida would have to arrange for mailing to take place in an area where the First Class Mail carrying aircraft would land at IAD or DCA. West Palm Beach area would be perfect for this, and Boca Raton is a logical spot to begin. In fact, the first element of the Anthrax Attack appeared in this area.

Note here that it was AlQaida's intent (under this hypothesis) to send the anthrax in a manner that it would leak out along the route, or possibly almost explode upon the opening of the envelope.

What AlQaida's planners did not plan on was the absolutely abominable way single piece First Class Mail not bearing a barcode is handled in the US Postal Service mail processing systems.

AlQaida's agents dropped their envelopes in a street collection box on September 7 or September 8, 2001 in Boca Raton. They were picked up sometime Saturday. These letters were the only contents of that box and therefore of the mail tray sitting in the bottom of the box.

Through dint of normal processing USPS managed to enclose all but one of the letters in empty MTE (Mail Transport Equipment) which is normally sent from South Florida locations to the Philadelphia BMC and then on to various MPCs and AOs needing empty equipment.

The letters were not only delayed a number of days beyond the attack date of 9/11, they ended up being transported by "truck", not "plane", from New Jersey to Washington DC and New York! Consequently the letters were not handled at critical AMFs (which could have resulted as well in the closure of all terminal operations at DCA, DIA, JFK, LGA, etc.) They were still handled at two mail processing facilities, one of which was just reopened.

Leahy, etc., were not the targets ~ just the USPS, the serving airlines, and the terminal complexes at several major American airports with world reknown.

Althugh "Mitchell" disputes my contentions regarding a certain Website that could be the source of the addresses used for the Anthrax Attack letters, that particular Website contains enough other static information to provide even the most cursory analyst with the identities of the most likely targets to intercept with an Anthrax Attack Vehicle.

26 posted on 01/06/2004 4:01:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"but most foreigners simply fail to comprehend how big the American empire really is!"
Nor how screwed up and inefficient it can get! LOL, we were saved from the worst consequences by good old-fashioned American bureaucratic bungling! That'll teach 'em to mess with us! Whoo-Hoo! We're number one! We're number one!

But al Qa'ida is probably still laughing about how long it took us to figure out what the intended primary target really was. Or at least for the public to figure it out.

--Boot

27 posted on 01/06/2004 5:08:24 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
It wasn't really "bungling". Rather, it's a situation kind of "designed into the system".

Now that we know that it "works" to protect us, that just solidifies the belief that single-piece FCM needs no improvement!

Still, these guys could have put the major airports serving the world's first and second most important cities out of business for years!

28 posted on 01/06/2004 5:22:20 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mitchell; Allan; pokerbuddy2; TurtleTrap
Miniter said that Kay told him that, "the Iraqis had developed new techniques for drying and milling anthrax—techniques that were superior to anything the United States or the old Soviet Union had. That would make the former regime of Saddam Hussein the most sophisticated manufacturer of anthrax in the world." Miniter said there are "intriguing similarities" between the nature of the anthrax that could be produced by Saddam and what hit America after 9/11. The key similarity is that the anthrax is produced in such a way that "hangs in the air much longer than anthrax normally would" and is therefore more lethal.

So, what does David Kay say these days?

29 posted on 01/26/2004 4:27:38 PM PST by Shermy
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To: FairOpinion; TrebleRebel; okie01
#29 for you too...
30 posted on 01/26/2004 4:28:57 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Thanks!

I really don't understand it -- there is so much evidence against Saddam, and yet they ignore it.

At this point, I really don't understand why aren't they coming out with the information.
31 posted on 01/26/2004 5:04:50 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Shermy
"So, what does David Kay say these days?"

Whatever it might be, the New York Times and Reuters, et al, forgot to ask him...

32 posted on 01/26/2004 5:06:51 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Prince Charles; Peach; snopercod
In reply no. 4, above:
Miniter said that Kay told him that, "the Iraqis had developed new techniques for drying and milling anthrax --- techniques that were superior to anything the United States or the old Soviet Union had. That would make the former regime of Saddam Hussein the most sophisticated manufacturer of anthrax in the world." Miniter said there are "intriguing similarities" between the nature of the anthrax that could be produced by Saddam and what hit America after 9/11. The key similarity is that the anthrax is produced in such a way that "hangs in the air much longer than anthrax normally would" and is therefore more lethal.

 

33 posted on 06/20/2004 7:24:19 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute

I had missed this article. Thank you so much for the ping.

I would just LOVE to see the anthrax attacks tied directly to Iraq and then see the Democrat's faces when they hear the news.

I mean, I would pay serious money to see this.


34 posted on 06/20/2004 7:28:07 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: First_Salute

What do you bet that these "special coatings" are similar to those used on the fibers in glass cloth.


35 posted on 06/21/2004 6:15:27 AM PDT by snopercod ("Never let a day go by without trying to have a little fun." - Chuck Yeager)
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