Pope wants new international order to keep peace

Reuters | January 1, 2004 | Claire Soares

[Happy2BMe]

This is pretty scary stuff.

The pope stands up in broad daylight and announces to the world we need a "New International Order" to bring peace to the world.

We need a new international order, new world military, world currency, world political system, new world religion, and new WORLD LEADER.

[Desdemona]

Oh, my you seem to know an awful lot.

I don't believe he said anything against acting in the interest of the whole world, which, whether they want to bekieve it or not, is what we are going.

[ninenot]

Response to all of your insolent queries is fruitless, Sink. Your advocacies are well-enough known by all here. No point belaboring the obvious.

That said, there actually IS such a thing as International Law.

And it does NOT cover terrorists.

War, as you may recall from Theo 201, is a State-to-State item, not "terrorist-to-State." The International Law does not adequately cover terrorism in any way, shape, or form--like certain other things (e.g., homosexual marriage) it's never been a matter for consideration until recently.

Get on line with reality, Sink. Your continuous deriding of the Pope is just a little too much, especially when combined with your jingo-ism.

BTW, those of us acquainted with the use of deadly force are NEVER advocates of its utilization. That's the "point" of my post earlier. You will find that's a very consistent position from ALL graduates of West Point who have achieved more than field-grade officer status.

[Desdemona]

Uh, once upon a time, there was a world currency. It was called gold.

[ninenot]

Oh, yeah--Israel would do something...

And if they got in over their head? Are you prepared to bop over and join the IDF?

Better get some target practice in with a full-auto, Sink.

The REASON we hamstring Israel is to keep OUR troops from having to save their butts, which is a highly likely scenario.

While I respect the IDF (and the Mossad) there's far too many ways for them to get into deeeeeeeeeep water over there, almost all of them calling for US intervention.

That's ANOTHER reason that JPII said what he said (not what you would have us BELIEVE he said, along with the editors of Reuters and The Guardian.)

[ninenot]

Ahhh--you jarheads aren't that tough. I used the same lines in Army BCT about the bayonet...

[Desdemona]

The REASON we hamstring Israel is to keep OUR troops from having to save their butts, which is a highly likely scenario.

...otherwise there wouldn't be anyone left for an Israeli state.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Please. I distintcly remember Pesident Bush 1 stating many times over and over that we needed a "New World Order," on national TV.

[Cap'n Crunch]

LOL... sharpen yours up and start practicing, we may need them.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Now I have to go to work. bummer

[GirlShortstop]

jingo-ism.

That's the word that's been sitting on the tip of my tongue!
Thanks.

[GirlShortstop]

Now I have to go to work. bummer

'tis.  Look at the bright side... *you'll* accomplish something today!
FReegards.

[sinkspur]

Your continuous deriding of the Pope is just a little too much, especially when combined with your jingo-ism.

"Jingoism?"

It's certainly obvious you're a Patsy.

[Happy2BMe]

"Uh, once upon a time, there was a world currency. It was called gold."

Now, it's called VISA, MC, DISCOVER, and ELECTRONIC CURRENCY.

[ninenot]

Thanks. Active in both his campaigns up here (while he was still a Republican.) Have autographed books, pix, the whole 9 yards.

But like a lot of prophets, Pat was reviled in his own country, especially by sophisticated, world-wise historically-knowledgeable giants like you.

[sinkspur]

But like a lot of prophets, Pat was reviled in his own country, especially by sophisticated, world-wise historically-knowledgeable giants like you.

Buchanan's isolationism continues to be discredited by world events.

He's an entertaining television commentator, however.

[ninenot]

Ah, yes, "isolationist."

You'll be pleased to know that on this particular issue, you and BE are apparently of one mind.

I demur, although I will not accept the title of "isolationist." Perhaps 'semi-active spectator' would be a better descriptor.

You will note that PJB did NOT reject self-defense, however.

[ninenot]

Ping for your AGREEMENT with Sinky (above)

Now that you've recovered from your minor coronary on reading the above line,....get back to work.

[Dog Anchor]

A grave chronilogical error on my part...and a most hardy apology.

[BlackElk]

I think I will take the scholarship of the Encyclopedia Britannica over that of the no-name Free Dictionary, just as I take the moral leadership and scholarship of the Teaching Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church (established upon Peter by Jesus Christ and guaranteed by Him) over the weak tea of the deformed trend of the week clubs. It is good that those who feel that they must reject Christ's own Church can find way stations in the wilderness where at least they have available the Scriptures in whatever translations they may have (I personally have very high regard for the original KJV translation, though Anglican, and for Douay-Rheims but not for dumbed-down "popular" translations of the RCC or of the deform). Of course, you lack the Mass and most sacraments, an accurate concept of the priesthood (because of a lack of Apostolic Succession, it was necessary to rationalize a new and deformed one).

We Catholics notice that the deform (unlike Luther himself) has developed a very jaundiced view as to Mary, denying doctrines like the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary and the perpetual virginity of Mary and, as to the last, engage in legendary feats of YOPIOS gymnastics to deny Mary her due.

Whatever the bona fides of the deformation founders (and there is plenty of reason to question that), there is no question that they have produced a wild cornucopia of heretical offshoots, each containing many who think themselves Peter or cling to the silly notion that their opinions are as good as any other "opinions." Then the resort is ever to the Scriptures as the Word of God (which they most certainly are) but only according to the convenient understanding of the deformed reader. Need rationalizations for birth control (which no Christian church Catholic or deformed allowed 100 years ago). No problem: do-it-yourself interptretation of translated and retranslated passages will do the trick. Divorce? Likewise. You are probably at least as familiar as I am and probably at least as disgusted with those self-interpeters who have decided that God's punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah was because of the residents' lack of hospitality rather than the sexual perversions which many wished to practice on God's angels taking the form of men. YOPIOS leads nowhere. We have nearly two thousand years of learned commentary and explication in the Teaching Magisterium of the one and only Church created by Jesus Christ and not by the wounded ego or id of some renegade monk or the guy who runs the corner gas station or the store-front self-appointed preacher. That commentary was produced by men (and some women like St.Catherine of Siena) ranging from the apostles themselves to those who learned from them directly (i.e., St. Ignatius of Antioch and other authors of the early second century Didache), the early Church Fathers and those who have supplemented their analysis ever since.

You may seek in good faith along with the more aggressive of your reformed brethren to convert adequately catechized Roman Catholics to join you in the wilderness of YOPIOS. As my Irish grandmother often observed: Misery loves company. You cannot advance adequate reasons for Catholics to to join you. There are no such reasons. You have willingly cut yourselves off from the fullness of the Church of Jesus Christ. On those occasions when you are in agreement with the Teaching Magisterium, good for you! When you are not, we may recall that Jesus wept in the Garden of Gethsemane over His knowledge that His flock would not be one flock.

You do not have to be a Roman Catholic to be saved since Christ's flock is not one flock. There is a considerable degree of effrontery and hubris, however, displayed by those who imagine that Christ did all that He did so that Fr. Martin Luther, casting an overly fond glance at Sister Katy, decided to found the Church of Jesus Christ in 1517 by massacring his every vow and causing her to massacre hers. Bear in mind where you got the Bible that Luther shortened as to its Old Testament and vilified as to its New Testament in part (the Epistle of James, Revelation, etc.)

Finally, if you are a conservative in the United States, Catholics are 28% of the population here and climbing in percentage. On the social issues that matter in our society (as opposed to our respective pulpits), Catholics are allied with Southern Baptists (17% of Americans), Missouri Synod Lutherans, Wisconsin Synod Lutherans, Good News Methodists, Westminster Presbyterians, Orthodox Jews, genuine Muslims, Mormons and socially conservative agnostics and atheists (however rare those two categories may be). We Catholics are in full agreement with none of these on doctrine but in 95% agreement with the conservative Protestants.

Why use this website to stir up trouble among conservatives who generally agree on taxes, on foreign and military policy, on abortion, on the nature of marriage, on regulation on small government, on guns, on other matters? All we do is entertain our common enemies.

If you are conservative as to matters political, you aren't going to win without us and we aren't going to win without you. You are probably not going to pope and I can assure you without fear of contradiction that I am not joining the protest against the RCC. There are leftists, atheists and agnostics (not you or other sincere Protestants) who stir up this trouble on here to take advantage of our respective fervors. Those leftists, atheists and agnostics are as wise as doves and as gentle as serpents, if you get my drift. Why reward them? Celebrate the good that you will acknowledge among Catholics as we acknowledge the good to be found among you.