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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 11-13
Various | November 10, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/10/2003 8:35:02 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 7 - November 11-13)

Link back to thread 6 - (Nov.8-10)
Link back to thread 5 - (Nov. 5-7)
Link back to thread 4 - (Nov. 3-4)
Link back to thread 3 (Nov. 1-2)
Link back to thread 2 - (Oct. 30-31)
Link back to thread 1 - (Oct. 29)

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Contained in Thread 6:

*Correction on thread 6. In the heading where it says, "contained in thread 4," it should read, "contained in thread 5."

Contact information for Judge Greer, probate documents listed for Terry and Michael Schiavo, article from April, 2001 when Terri's feeding tube was ordered by Judge Quesada to be put back in pending deposition of Cindy Shook Brashers, link to clip of Steve Schiavo calling in to Glenn Beck's program, link to information on Schiavo/Centonze property value, link to transcript of On the Record interview with Ken Connor, link to American Patriot Friends Network, link to hospicepatients.org website, article about the testimony of Trudy Capone, link to post about co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson giving legal reasons for the need for intervention on Terri's behalf, link to Hospice Patients Alliance website, statement that 9 neurologists have said that Terri is NOT in a PVS, Washington, D.C.contact information via email/fax, summary of legal expenses that Schiavo paid out of the money awarded to him for Terri’s care and rehabilitation, also see chart here for summary of legal expenses, This Round to Terri, But Fight Not Over article in Catholic Standard & Times (10/23/2003), another article, Schindlers Wonder What Happened the Night Terri Collapsed form Catholic Standard and Times:, and a serious question that is raised and needs to be researched.

Also in thread 6 (breaking it down into 2 paragraphs due to the length): information on holdings of Jodi Centonze, was Terri beaten(?), liability claims against Terri’s doctors, chronology of cases against Michael Schiavo, Schiavo v. Bush, who’s paying hospice(?), some quotes from George Felos’ book here and here, Jodi Centonze insurance connections, link to Village Voice article: Lying about Terri Schiavo, federal prohibition of use of funds for assisted suicide and euthanasia, the model husband according to George Felos (also see addition here), findings of Florida medical board on Dr. Hammersfahr and some facts about Judge Greer regarding this case.

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Click on pic for Terri's website
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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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To: nicmarlo
Fighting the Culture of Death

By Wendy Griffith
CBN News Sr. Reporter

November 3, 2003

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Wendy Griffith: Do you sense in her even now a will to live?

Mary Schindler: After what she just went through? Six days without food and hydration, she was in the hospital with sepsis, she had a collapsed lung, she had pneumonia in September -- she should have died then. No, Terri wants to live!"

Terri's parents say they have proof that Terri wants to live. Since her husband stopped any rehabilitation more than 10 years ago, Terri's parents secretly conducted some therapy sessions via telephone.

Bob Schindler: All of a sudden I see her get up -- she was like in a reclining position -- up to the point where I jumped up, I thought she was going to fall on the floor, and I pulled her back. And I got on the phone with this individual -- I said, 'What did in the world did you tell her?' He said 'I told her unless you get up and get out of this place where you are now, they're going to kill you, and to save your own life you have to leave there immediately.'

Wendy Griffith: And you witnessed her reaction, she sat upright.

Mary Schindler: We both did. I said, 'What did you say to her?

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Mary Schindler: I would love to take her outside with me in her chair in the sun. She's never left that room, three-and-a-half years -- she's never left that room.

Wendy Griffith: And Michael Schaivo will not allow her to be even brought outside to get a breath of fresh air.

Mary Schindler: No, nothing.

http://the700club.org/CBNNews/News/031031c.asp
301 posted on 11/13/2003 5:05:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Husband Must Defend His Guardianship of Terri Schiavo

November 2003

CNSNews.com) - The husband of Terri Schindler Schiavo must respond to a petition filed by her parents to remove him as the legal guardian of the brain-damaged woman, a judge ruled Wednesday.

The decision by Florida Circuit Judge George Greer came as a surprise because the judge had denied three earlier requests by Terri's father and mother - Robert and Mary Schindler - to remove Michael Schiavo as his wife's guardian and appoint her father or sister in his place.

After a hearing on Wednesday, Greer rejected a request from Schiavo for the Schindlers' latest petition to be dismissed. That decision means Schiavo's attorneys must respond in court to the charges in the suit, which include:

Adultery in violation of Florida law;

Misappropriation of funds awarded by a civil jury for Terri's rehabilitation;

Conflict of interest. The Schindlers believe Schiavo may be trying to end Terri's life to avoid paying alimony that could be awarded if a new guardian successfully petitioned for a divorce on her behalf;

Denial of health care in violation of Florida law;

Failure to meet deadlines for completing guardianship plans as required by Florida law;

Failure to complete annual guardian training as required by Florida law;

Authorizing experimental medial procedures without court approval;

Concealing information from the court; and

Exceeding the specific guardianship authorities granted by the court, also allegedly in violation of Florida law.

Scott Swope, an attorney for Schiavo, called the ruling "unfortunate" and told the Associated Press that he will fight the petition. "(Michael) should remain her guardian because he has her best interests at heart," Swope said.

However, Patricia Anderson, attorney for the Schindlers, said she was pleased with the decision. "Schiavo has demonstrated through repeated and gross failures to comply with the law that he is incapable of discharging the duties of guardian," she stated.

http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200311/CUL20031105f.shtml

302 posted on 11/13/2003 5:10:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: lonevoice
"I think she'd make a wallet out of them"

I doubt they're big enough.

303 posted on 11/13/2003 5:15:57 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: pickyourpoison
"I was just reading on another thread that Ann Coulter mentions Terri in her column."

I'll have to look it up. I wish she would do a whole column on her case though. I wish more FReepers would write to her about it. I already did.

304 posted on 11/13/2003 5:18:14 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: nicmarlo
Well, isn't that interesting? I suppose Greer threw that one out too.
305 posted on 11/13/2003 5:20:27 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Yes, Greer threw that suit out, too.

But, you'll like this one:

This month’s Conspiracyworld.com Black Boot Award winner is.............

Michael Schiavo

Michael Schiavo, the husband of Terry Schindler-Schiavo has attempted to kill his wife since 1998 by having her feeding tube removed, an action that would result in her slow death by starvation and dehydration. Terri has been unable to talk for 13 years after her collapse in February 1990 at their home in Saint Petersburg, Florida. Oxygen to her brain was cut off for several minutes resulting in brain damage. This incident has never been satisfactorily explained. With no living will prepared, the court took Michael’s word that she did not want to be a burden, and would wish to die. Michael sued Terri’s doctors for malpractice in 1992 and was awarded over $1.3 million dollars that was to be used for her care and therapy. Terri’s parents have been fighting Michael for 10 years over the lack of care and therapy for their daughter. Michael has repeatedly denied his wife therapy of any kind and has instructed her caregivers to keep Terri isolated as much as possible from family and friends. Michael has, however, spent over $400,000 dollars in attorney fees to have her life ended. http://www.conspiracyworld.com/index0008.htm

306 posted on 11/13/2003 5:26:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Can you tell us just WHEN MS and his lawyers must respong to the court? Have been waiting to hear, but haven't seen anything more about it. Thanks so much! My prayers are going out to Terri and her family daily, and my thanks to Governor Bush for all his help!
307 posted on 11/13/2003 5:34:40 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: sweetliberty

Post# 291 posted it from World Net Dailey
308 posted on 11/13/2003 5:35:14 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: nicmarlo
So, as we have seen, the money went to Felos (Not Terri, nor her rehab, nor her therapy, nor her doctors)

... and ...

the vast majority was spent AFTER the motion to kill her was filed!
309 posted on 11/13/2003 5:39:38 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sweetliberty
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021210/posts?page=14#14

If you guys have a chance take a look at the Ann Coulter thread. Some FReepers will be attracted to it because of her name who may not know all the details of the case. Good column, Ann!

310 posted on 11/13/2003 5:42:59 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: sweetliberty
She did a whole column. Tonight.
I dont know how to link, do a search on me, I pinged a couple of posters.
311 posted on 11/13/2003 5:47:13 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom
nevermind-see 310
312 posted on 11/13/2003 5:48:20 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: seekthetruth
I'm not seeing it's even been filed...which, of course, cannot be. However, this is the only thing I'm finding (the previous case against him by Terri's parents):

Uniform Case Pinellas Case Section Case Type Type
522001CA003200XXCICI 01003200CI 011 NEGLIGENCE CI
Style:  SCHINDLER ROBERT
vs.  SCHIAVO MICHAEL
Jury Trial STIP NOTH Reason Type Disp.
    Y    
Filling Date Appeal Date Judg. Date Reop Date Docket Date
04/26/01 05/04/01      
Case/Cat
OTHER NEGLIGENCE

 

10 Docket Entries, 08/14/03 to 05/20/03
Pages Date P/D Docket Entry Ver
  08/14/03 PLAINTIFF COPY ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO DISMISS ETC F
  06/19/03 DEFENDANT NOTICE OF HEARING 061803 F
  06/18/03 DEFENDANT NOTICE TO RELY UPON MOTIONS TO DISMISS F
  06/13/03 PLAINTIFF AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING 061803 @ 1:30 F
  06/09/03 PLAINTIFF VERIFIED SECOND AMENDED COMPLAINT F
  06/09/03 PLAINTIFF DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL N
  05/27/03 PLAINTIFF ORDER OF DISMISSAL AS TO COUNT II/III IN POR12774PG0053-004 F
  05/23/03 PLAINTIFF ORDER ON MOTIONS ETC F
  05/23/03 PLAINTIFF ATTORNEY COVER LETTER F
  05/20/03 PLAINTIFF NOTICE OF HEARING 061803 @ 9 F
NOTH  Notice of Hearing
STIP  Stipulation
Ver Verified: F=Filed, N=Not Filed/Notice. There is no
case file document associated with a notice.
https://pubtitles.co.pinellas.fl.us/login/loginx.jsp?goto=/civil/KEInput.jsp.
313 posted on 11/13/2003 5:54:55 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
the vast majority was spent AFTER the motion to kill her was filed!

Yes, I think he hired Felos in May 1998, no?

314 posted on 11/13/2003 5:55:37 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sarasmom
Got it! Here's the thread:

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)

I'd like to think that the letter I sent her made a difference, or at least the letters that WE sent her.

I pinged the list over there. It might be a good thread to get into some more discussion on because a lot of FReepers might pay attention because it is Anne.

315 posted on 11/13/2003 6:00:14 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Has this been posted yet?

Interesting Timeline
Posted By: Frank
Date: Thursday, 13 November 2003, at 4:15 p.m.

Many people, groups, and the media have harshly critcized Jeb Bush and the Florida legistature for passing "Terri's Bill", claiming among other things that it is uncostitutional to pass a law that applies only to one person.

Consider this timeline:

May 1997 - Deborah Bushnell send a leter to Judge Shames (he was before Judge Greer) saying that the Schindlers should be involved in Terri's care during her final days (since Michael intends to move Terri to hospice and remove her feeding tube).

Aug. 1997 - Felos sends a letter to the Schindler's notifying them of pending action to remove Terri's feeding tube.

May 1998 - George Felos is hired and files a petition in Court to remove Terri's feeding tube.

April 6, 1999 - House Bill 2131 was introduced in the legislature by the Florida Elder Affairs & Long-Term Care Committee to amend Section 765 (Civil Rights) of the Florida Statutes. two weeks later, the legislature Committee on Judiciary recommmended that House Bill 2131 should also change the Section 765.101 legal definition of life prolonging procedures to add: "INCLUDING ARTIFICIALLY PROVIDED SUSTENENCE AND HYDRATION, WHICH SUSTAINS, RESTORES, OR SUPPLANTS A SPONTANEOUS VITAL FUNCTION".

Oct 1, 1999 - Senate Bill 2228 (formerly HB2131) becomes law changing Section 765.101 of the Florida Statutes to include the above.

Jan 24, 2000 - Trial begins to decided whether to remove Terri's feeding tube.

Feb 11, 2000 - Judge Greer orders that Terri's feeding tube can be removed.

If you followed the timeline, Felos filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tube BEFORE the law was changed, and the trial began AFTER the law was changed (and Greer approved removal of the tube).

Why is that? Did the Florida legislature knowingly or unknowingly pass a law that would apply specifically to Terri? I don't think there were any other hotly contested "right to die" cases at that time. (The cases of Cruzan, Bludworth, and Browning were decided years before). I wonder who paid-off or influenced who to get the law changed?

And here's some very interesting reading that might help answer that question (link below). Scroll down about half-way to "They make it all possible".

They make it all possible:

Congressman Bilirakis congressman for many years. Now his son Gus Michael Bilirakis serves on the Suncoast Hospice Board of Directors.

There are actually three boards because there are profits and non-profits.

The salaries at the top are sky high."

Barbara Sheehan Todd also serves on the Hospice Board. She was a County Commissioner the same time (1980-98) Judge Greer was a Pinellas county commissioner from 1984-92.

Judge Greer was a zoning lawyer.
http://www.sptimes.com/News/042801/TampaBay/Judge_George_Greer.shtml

Atty George Felos sat on the Hospice Board Felos has been paid approximately $550,000.00 Judge Greer used to be on Hospice's Board too (ED: Chairman of the Board)

Martha Lenderman - outgoing chairman of hospice, chair for 2 years, is sister of Judge John Lenderman (Family Law Division with Judge Greer)

Richard M Jerger, Jr (was a president of Pinellas Independent Agents, Inc in 1990-1991) is a holder in the PHILADELPHIA CONSOLIDATED HOLDING CORP which bought out Jerger and Sons. insured mobile homes

Raymond Blacklidge is a registered lobbyist in the Florida Legislature who works for the Jerger Company. Blacklidge is a Business Partner to Richard Jerger, who is an Insurance Executive selling mobile home insurance in the state of Florida. Jerger somehow became the Business Partner to Michael Schiavo.

Jodi Centonze is Michael Schiavo's domestic partner and now mother of his 2 children.
http://pao.co.pinellas.fl.us/htbin/cgi-scr3?o=1&a=1&b=1&r=&s=1&u=0&p=29+28+16+61655+000+0390267%2C302337%2C661&name=View

Barry G. Wilkinson registered agent for Jerger Ins.

Judge Greer and Robert Wharrie (hospice) are on the same dicussion PANEL!! Almost at the bottom of the page

http://www.clwbar.org/resipsa/december-january02/article462.html .

The Mcconihay Greer Connection Together on the board of "Suncoast Christian Camps Inc"... with GREER as registered agent..

The Damonte -Mcconihey connection

The Damonte - Mcconihay corp is called "Approved Management Corporation"...

Jonathan Damonte -lawyer for the Mobile home association, is connected to Greer through a business partner, Stephen McConihey

2nd Felon Gets 2nd Chance at Hospice
A payroll worker is the second employee the hospice hired in recent years despite a criminal record.
-After pleading guilty to felony grand theft in 2001 and being sentenced to five years of probation, (she used company credit card to use for work purchases to charge $7,791 for personal items before getting caught.) Karen Langan was looking for a new job.
-Another employee, Susan A. Wynn, pleaded guilty in Georgia to embezzlement in 1996 after admitting that she stole $370,000 from a public agency. Wynn, who served prison time and is on probation, works as an administrative assistant to the hospice's vice president of finance.

Link:St Petersburg Times Online
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/26/Northpinellas/2nd_felon_gets_2nd_ch.shtml

Based on his testimony promising rehabilitation services for Terri, in part, the malpractice jury awarded Mr. Schiavo $1,200,000.00, of which approximately $700,000.00 was placed in a trust fund for Terri's support and maintenance.

Terri has not been certified as "Terminally ill" as required by federal regulations for the use of federal funds for hospice care, yet has resided at Hopsice Woodside since March or April, 2000.

I am way past the blur stage. Who knew we would uncover so many complexities and turf wars between Hospice and former employees? This is a major legal-medical situation with political overtones without taking into account religious implications

316 posted on 11/13/2003 6:40:44 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: Snykerz
LOL! Excellent! Classic Ann Coulter!

Thanks for posting this, Snykerz.
317 posted on 11/13/2003 6:41:41 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: nicmarlo
see post 316
318 posted on 11/13/2003 6:44:26 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: pc93; sweetliberty; Budge; FL_engineer
BOMBSHELL See Post #316!!!!!
319 posted on 11/13/2003 7:01:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Republic; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter
BOMBSHELL See Post #316
320 posted on 11/13/2003 7:03:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
see post #316
321 posted on 11/13/2003 7:04:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: pickyourpoison; lonevoice
see post #316
322 posted on 11/13/2003 7:05:16 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
see post #316
323 posted on 11/13/2003 7:06:16 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: pc93
Most excellent job, pc93!!!!! This is absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!
324 posted on 11/13/2003 7:07:14 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: pc93
Incredible. And whatever happened with the bill that would drop "lewd and lascivious behavior" as a disqualifier for guardianship that was conspicuaously on the table at the same time as Felos had a motion to dismiss pending on the challenge to Schiavo's guardianship?
325 posted on 11/13/2003 7:09:11 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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Due to privacy concerns, I have asked the admin moderator to delete my post #201, and I am reposting it here without the personal information originally included. These are two e-mails to Jeb Bush, written by someone who has been working very hard on behalf of Terri and her family.

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October 07, 2003
Dear Governor Bush:

Thank you for reassuring the public, whom you hold in your hands, that you are on the job protecting every citizens constitutional and statutory rights regarding hastened and CAUSED deaths of our citizens who have come to find themselves vulnerable to these merchants of death, who wear many faces, hats and clothes.

Although you did not attack the LACK of clear and convincing evidence of Terri's "wishes" you have taken step 1 to reversing the damage already done to our constitution by these seekers of death for others, but NOT themselves. Hmmm.

Step two is to take an even wider angled view of the evil subversives' strategy and in play plan, as we have, now that you have shown your desire to wield the armor for which you took oath to wear. You're sworn to protect People, your masses, have been waiting for you to take the point of the spear as we have become well informed you are to take.

We are being informed and becoming informed of the overwhelming number of laws, freedoms, civil rights, civil liberties and constitutional rights that have been and are now being violated, as in major and multiple count crimes for each and every merchant of death and coconspirator.

Michael Schiavo and conspirators use of documented false advance directives to further this obviously intended and premeditated taking of a persons life IS a 2nd Degree Felony Crime pursuant to FS765.1115 and punishable by 15 years in PRISON and double pecuniary recovery to Terri Schiavo, the VICTIM -- at the very least!

Every person who has knowingly NOT REPORTED according to FS415.1034 and can be linked as a coconspirator in facilitating this intentional death attempt should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The DCF should be brought to bear for the decision of Regional Attorney Frank Nagatani's statement that DCF would not get involved as long as the case is in court. Why was MY 3 hour phone complaint to DCF hotline in November 2001 for abuses, neglect and criminal exploitation of Terri Schiavo, followed by a 60 day interactive APS investigation with investigator Mitch Turner, including my supplying of a 5 inch ring binder crammed with 100s of pages of supportive public documents and several supplementals at request of investigator, that resulted in a report being filed and been recognized in open court by Judge Greer to exist, stamped UNFOUNDED with RECOMMENDATIONS. In a phone conversation with me, two days after the investigation report was filed with his superiors, Mitch Turner said to me in response to my disbelief, "I know xxxxx. I have said too much now. Keep up the fight, xxxxx."

DCF filed a Motion to Quash any testimony by subpoenaed investigator Mitch Turner. In a guardianship hearing, in which testimony was sought of the investigator regarding proceedings questioning the guardians "plan of care" to restore Terri's capacity per statute FS744.3215(c.), always known to be death, based on investigator Turner's findings, a tactical manuever by Guardianship Attorney Deborah Bushnell dodged all by pulling the late and disapproved guardian plan, thus putting guardian in contempt but never charged, and resulted in no ruling on the still outstanding Motion to Quash. To this day there have been 7 extensions for filing of the 2001 guardian plan [no plan] approved by Judge Greer.

After an audience with then Chairwoman of the DCF Oversight Commission, Legislator Sandra Murman, in which she immediately saw the crimes and expressed that she would look deep into why my massively supported complaint was marked "unfounded" BUT was also marked 'with recommendations'. How can there be nothing here and at the same time BE acknowledge by IT's needing attention in the form of a list of ACTION items? Cover up!

I was told 2 weeks after that meeting that Murman and staff would not be able to talk about anything with me, or to give progress reports, if such a thing even existed, due to a confidentiality agreement that Legislator Murman was asked to sign related to my inquiry. More cover-up.

Please bring full pressure on the DCF to "do their jobs and constitutionally sworn duties" to insure that EVERY aspect of the Legislatures intention as in Florida Statute Title XXX Social Welfare, Chapter 415 Adult Protective Services, s.415.101 paragraphs (1) and (2) which make by CLEAR and CONVINCING language the intent and mission by all means of the Adult Protective Services Act.

Incidentally, Frank Nagatani, DCF Regional Attorney is listed in Judge Greer's 1998 campaign expenditures as a recipient of a campaign contribution partial refund but is not listed anywhere in the counties and states election records or reports by his campaign as being a contributor.

Also, Judge Greer did not qualify to be on the 1998 ballot because he did not "qualify" in the statutorily prescribed 5 day period. Nor did he file his FS876.05 Oath to the laws and constitution according to it's nonexistence according to the records of where it should have been filed. Pursuant to FS876.05 (2) he has never qualified to receive compensation by his employer. Further, the county is required on behalf of the People to judicially seek the recovery of all the statutorially prohibited compensation he has already mistakenly, even criminally, received.

The county will be PUBLICLY encouraged to seek recovery of unauthorized wages that this unauthorized, unqualified, and tresspassing Judge has been receiving and actions to facilitate his immediate resignation and delisting him from the payroll records and his disqualification from and prohibition from non-entitled employment related benefits resulting from his unauthorized employment. This would figure to be upwards of $600,000 based on reverse calculation of the 4 percent campaign fee he paid of the expected wages of the elected positon sought.

It's obvious that Judge Greer is but one of the many players in a game that has jeopardized and harmed the life of one of this state's citizens and should be stripped of ever being a Judge, Attorney or any other position of Public Trust -- as the law provides the Governor the authority to do. Not just a level 4 verbal and public reprimanded.

As stated earlier, Step two is to take an even wider angled view of the evil subversives' strategy and in play plan, as we have, now that you have shown your desire to wield the armor for which you took oath to wear. You're sworn to protect People, your masses, have been waiting for you to take the point of the spear as we have become well informed you are to take.

You can do this by:
1) Taking judicial action, as is your sworn duty in Article IV Executive, Section 1. Governor, "(b) The governor may initiate judicial proceedings in the name of the state against any executive or administrative state, county or municipal officer to enforce compliance with any duty or restrain any unauthorized act."

by:
A) Filing with the Supreme Court and or the Legislature a Motion for a STAY on all currently in play judicial proceedings having anything to do with the discontinuance of Life or having a resulting expectation of death. The people involved should by executive order maybe, be ordered to deliver and insure ALL rights and retained rights of those involved are afforded.

B) Filing a Motion in the appropriate venue to effect a Moratorium on the entire judicial branches ability to receive and open a case in which the petitioning of the discontinuance of life support or facilitation of intentional dehydration/starvation is desired by anyone.

C) Establish a commission that is at least 2/3 comprised of the public and includes members of the Terri Schiavo supporters main group to have fact finding powers and give a report to the Governor and Legislature on the extent of the merchants of death's subversive methods as is unlawful pursuant to FS 876.22 through FS 876.31. To give recommendation of the legislation needed to repair, fix and provide future constitutional protection of every citizens Right To Life. The President and the Popes Culture of Life Initiative in essence.

D) Initiate a criminal investigation into what happened to Terri Schiavo and bring charges and full prosecution of all the principal perpetrators and accomplices as a societal message to all those who are approached or succumb to the unlawful merchants of death. Any investigation should encompass the entire history of events from before her injury incident in 1990 through the present which continues daily as THE atrocity of humanity. Many involved in the fight to do what the state is required to do, protect its people from abuse, neglect and exploitation -- the "legal civil murder" as will become the precedent -- have uncovered 1000s of evidentiary details that will be of great assistance to fixing the damage and repairing with greater shielding, the Right To Life, by writing out the methods that have become the Death Merchants tools and pathways to TAKING the Lives and Assets of this State's vulnerable.

2) Taking Legislative initiative, based on your own knowledge, findings and the recommendations of the Terri Act Commission to walk from first reading to enactment into law by your signing, all changes to law, practice and procedure, administrative code, regulations, et al, that become necessary to save our state from self extinction.

It takes 9 months and 1 day to effect life. It takes but one second to end or take life. At this rate of CAUSED death, we will be extinct in fewer than more years.

3) Rally behind and take the lead on the Terri Supporters
amendment initiative for "The Inalienable Rights Act" amendment on the next presidential and state elections ballot.

This amendment is the backbone that the current constitution needs to prohibit as criminal activity all efforts to CAUSE death in the CIVIL arena.

Contact me directly or through arranged audience via Robert Schindler, Terri's father.

Sincerely and with duty,

xxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxx, Florida

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October 08, 2003
Dear Governor Bush:

Thank you for your timely reply by/through/from Lauren O'Connor, who represents her/himself as "Aide to Governor Bush".

I must point out the serious fact that The Governor does not attack the alleged oral will/advance/HEARSAY/directives that the found to be Clear and Convincing Evidence of her *wishes* as he (or whomever wrote the filing) does not get the precedent [merchants agenda item] to make oral [lies] about life or death the deciding bar over a persons fate. It removes all bars to effecting another's death by "Legal Civil Murder".

These FS876.22 --.31 "subversive" Merchants of Death: (sic) Right To Die Movement and accomplices have been using Florida to create a climate of indiscriminate discriminate fleecing and TAKING of human lives at least since Attorney Felos and company's attack on our constitution with the 1989 Estelle Browning case here.

Then they managed to make/influence significant changes to legislation in 1991 and again in 1998 and 1999 to sneak into law their agenda of constitutionally protected Right to Die.

There is no room for both Right To Life and a so called right to die. These merchants idea of a right to die is one that includes the right of others to "Legally Civilly Murder" YOU or anyone else that comes up on their radar to be given death. LIFE is inalienable, and cannot be given or taken away.

Felos and company have been having difficulty with the Clear and Convincing aspect of the Will and Advance Directives arguments in courts when they try to effect death of people, take all their assets, all under the banner of it was their wishes. Death advocate and hired expert Dr. Ronald Cranford testified to these annoyances and the published changes in tactics to *allow* more deaths by effecting the non-persons *wishes* (death contracts) to be dead than alive.

A persons *wish to die* is the same as a suicide note if it is in writing. But that has not been challenged and argued yet either. And if this AD/Will/DPOA suicide note has directions that will CAUSE the persons death and require some kind of assistance to effect, then that is Assisted Suicide.

So, in order to grease the skids to EZ making other people dead, the Subversive merchants of death have in their cross-hairs the loophole of oral advance directives. If they can set the precedent which lowers the bar from written *suicide* advance directive -- to the *hearsay* "they said they did not want to live like THAT and I will *assist* them", whatever THAT may happen to be at the time.

It's simple Mr. Governor.

There is no such thing as Clear and Convincing HEARSAY oral statements of one person, orally represented by another, ESPECIALLY, when the principal is unable to speak or communicate effectively (without rehab) at the time these alleged oral LIES are brought forward. How convenient!

What WE THE PEOPLE have here, is not clear and convincing evidence that these oral (lies) took place such as to kill that person by them, but exhibits REASONABLE DOUBT that these after-the-fact HEARSAY alleged oral statements of a young woman who WAS 23 year old at the time she is purported to have made them.

I point out as well that the ONLY people who say Terri Schiavo allegedly made these now death hinging statements are:
Michael Schiavo -- husband
Joan Schiavo -- sister-in-law
Scott Schiavo -- brother
It should be noted that Michael's own mother disagreed with his alleges, and was troubled by his actions. Her death was never investigated.

A Bucks County, Pennsylvania newspaper on July 2, 1997, reported Michael's mother's death, "survived by Michael and fiancee' Jodi" Centonze. There's no mention of his WIFE Terri. Was his mother's death hastened too? Did Michael do the same in Pennsylvania as he is doing here? Was civil murder committed their as well?

FACTS:
1) Marriage rocky, divorce being considered by Terri per her girlfriend, colleagues and brother.

2) Still uninvestigated cause of Terri's injury of 1990. What happened?

3) Made a research project out of her in 1991 with experimental electrodes (still in head and possibly injuring her now) without obtaining extraordinary authority as require by FS744.3725 to effect Fs744.3215(4).

4) Stopped rehab in July 1991 at Mediplex Bradenton when Terri started speaking more and clearer words opting for long term palliative care, against the diagnosis and suggested treatment of her doctors.

5) Filed $20M malpractice suit in late 1991

6) Ended Terri's major medical insurance by making agreement for approx. 15cent on the dollar lump sum payout of the policy without prior permission or review of the court.

7) Made video of how much he cared, loved and valued his marriage vows, and all that he did for Terri and how much money it would take to care and rehab his wife, to win over the JURY.

8) Received JURY award Jan 1993 that resulted in a net guardianship fund balance of approx. $775K which remained until Nov 1998 when attorney Felos and others started hitting it hard.

9) About 3 months later in 1993 Michael refused to treat a life threatening infection; the facility treated. He tried again several months later as was taken to court in which he testified he knew that she would die if not treated and said that he guessed because of some law he would be able to "do it" that way.

This is PERJURY . This is INSURANCE FRAUD. This admitted under oath and by deposition ATTEMPTED MURDER, even then as is still now.

10) Advance directives and orders from Michael in the direction of death to his wife started appearing in medical charts and verbally to facility staff. [FS765.1115(2) False Advance Directives 2nd Degree Felony]

11) 03-05-97 -- alleged attorney Felos "initial conference with client" (who) as itemized in 4/3/00 fee petition.

12) 04-14-97 -- Petition to hire attorney Felos

13) 05-14-97 -- Felos officially hired by Order.

14) 07-02-97 -- Pennsylvania Obituary lists survivors as Michael and fiancee Jodi. No mention of Terri, his wife.
15) 05-11-98 -- Petition to Discontinue Artificial Life Support.

16) same date nor after -- Curiously no Petition to Establish the alleged "Oral Advance Directives"

17) 05-11-98 to present -- lots of evidenced situations of exerting or claiming of existence of advance directives now that feels power behind his filing of petition to obtain "state-assisted CIVIL death contract".

18) From July 1991, Terri Schiavo has not received any organized and continuous rehabilitation program as evidenced in the Guardian Plans filed in Probate.

19) Question 4D of the Guardian Plan which asks, paraphrased, 'what will be done to INCREASE the capacity of the ward in the next 12 months' -- Michael hand writes "my wife is in a PVS".

20) The question in the Guardian Plan, 'what has been done in the last 12 months to increase the capacity of the ward' -- Michael writes 'my wife is PVS'.

FS744.3215(1)(c.) says the ward has the retained right "to be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time."

Even though he really or fraudulently represents this PVS state (must be unconscious by law definition) in the guardian plan, the guardian (Michael) MUST make plans that work to increase capacity and has to give an account of what of the plan was actual performed and give report of successes/failures to then modify the plan for next 12 months to net some INCREASES in Terri's capacity.

ALL of the above I have written is an obvious and telling picture of a PREMEDITATED "Guardian's Plan" to deny the ward (period) and effect his plan to keep Terri from ever telling who was in the apartment and what happened to her and "to move on with MY life" with my now revealed ex-girlfriend (when) and fiancee-with-my-two-kids Jodi Centonze of at least 9 years while screaming into the TV cameras when asked about his FS798 Open Adultery -- Michael leans forward, face directly in the camera and says "IT's my baby, and I'm proud of IT". This was during the October 2002 "Evidentiary" trial. Baby Olivia was born September 2002.

Michael appears to have been on, and is still on, a campaign to END his *wife's* life ever since that suspiciously circumstanced early morning in their apartment in January of 1990.

Conspiracy to commit murder has been in play since at least 3 months after to malpractice jury award in January 1993. The pattern that stands out when a thorough chronology is developed from the facts over the entire 13.7 years bears this out.

Executive Order. Grand Jury. Terri's State-Assisted "Legal Civil Murder". What is it going to take to STOP the heinous CRIMES against Terri, her parents, the people of Florida and now the nation, being perpetrated by Michael, his cult of attorneys, health "care" professionals and facilities, with the help of this FS876.22 -- .31 Subversive merchants of death movement (organization) and members (merchants)?

I surely hope you all up there in the capitol are getting this -- because the PUBLIC sure is!

Jeb, we are getting hundreds of thousands more emails than you are, from all over this state, the nation AND the world. If ever their was a perilous but propitious time in OUR lives to make good for all of humanity -- THAT TIME IS NOW.

GOD and Thomas Jefferson are watching!

Sincerely; legally, morally and righteously I remain,

xxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx, FL

Jeb. Can we meet, as was suggested by your office in the past? Even privately, with the Schindler's, siblings, and core Terri supporter group? We know the gears and gates that must be overcome. While we all work to fix the damage caused to our constitution and laws, YOU MUST afford Terri and all others in the same boat in this state at present with full protection and exercise of their civil and retained rights and liberties, together with their constitutional rights and freedoms, as vulnerable(FS415), disabled (ADAetc), victimized (FS825,775,798,400) and elderly persons.

Remember these are persons with personhood and not "house plants" who must meet some litmus test as to "whether or not they can bring a spoon to their own mouths" as was argued Attorney Felos in the August 2001 2nd DCA hearing. He was arguing not for Terri Schiavo but for his Merchants of Death Movement.

Felos has audio tapes and books published and for sale that profess and promote "Abundant Prosperity". Yeah, HIS of YOURS!
Felos by filed and verified spreadsheet has received now over $500,000 of Terri's "medical malpractice rehabilitation funds" in direct CONFLICT with FS744.446(4) which intends that funds dedicated be used just for the original purpose.

THIS IS FS825 Exploitation of Terri's money! And her.

Due to the obvious conflict of interest between Michael the husband and Michael the guardian, as Guardianship Law dictates but is being ignored by Judge Greer, who never took the oath and does not have to support the constitutional law, only HIS law of the case:
The petition to discontinue should have never been accepted, and/or a permanent Guardian Ad Litem or successor guardian should have been appointed on June 18, 1998, due to conflict and no will or advance directives. Non on record. They had to create them. So, that's what Judge Greer did, all in the same NON JURY trial. Created "reasonable doubt" advance directives to pave the way for creation of the FINAL right to die constitutional legislation.

In any case of a life OR death decision being made for and about another person to be made by court order, playing God, if not God's decision, no reason for it not to be, then at the very least, the decision should be made by the people, as in plural -- A JURY of TERRI's peers in open court. This must be a law that is created or one now that needs changed immediately.

The precedent is: Anyone will be able to make an oral statement that CAUSES the death of another person, with what will become by this case, the EZ application and approval stamping by the Probate Court or maybe just Clerk's to effect and cause someone "Legal Civil Murder". Since all actions remain in the "Civil" courts their will be no "Criminal" court actions necessary.

This could also result in more "criminal" murders being pleaded by the defendant as "my" victim is not a victim because they had a Death Wish and were a burden and hindrance to MY best wishes of getting them out of the way so that I could enhance MY Abundant Prosperity.

What a sick path to self destruction and extinction we are headed if as you stated in your Amicus as reason to take the torch, the failure of the judiciary branch to effect a proper outcome for firstly Terri Schiavo and secondly for SOCIETY. Please do not break your first campaign promise to be THE "Champion of the Disabled".
326 posted on 11/13/2003 7:11:22 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: All
I have been lurking for some time now, but this is my first post.

A thought crossed my mind tonight, and I'm not sure if it was brought up yet, but does anyone know if Terri listed herself as an organ donor anywhere? If she had, that could be an arguement because no organ donor would agree to starvation/dehydration since the vital organs wouldn't be viable.

Thank you to you all for everything you're doing for Terri!
327 posted on 11/13/2003 7:15:42 PM PST by Micavaga
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To: nicmarlo
Felos is/was/still is the driving force behind the right-to-die efforsts among in the FL legistlators.

It is (until this case) his primary calim to fame (and fees) and speaking engagements and it IS the basis for his professional reputation.

It is "interesting" to note that he filed to kill Terri BEFORE the law got pushed through, and I have no doubt that HER CASE was the motive for the law.

But he (Felos) no doubt "forgot" to tell the LF legislators HWY he was pushing the bill that hard.

Thus, the 300,00.00 Felos "earned" after mid-year 1998 were simply to "pay off" the effort to create the law ... on behalf of MS.
328 posted on 11/13/2003 7:17:25 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Micavaga
Good question....I haven't read/seen anything about that at all. Definitely worthwhile for someone to check into. And welcome to FR!
329 posted on 11/13/2003 7:21:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
When did he first file for Michael (in Terri's name, of course) and when did he push for this law?
330 posted on 11/13/2003 7:22:57 PM PST by Krodg
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Absolutely despicable, Felos is. There should be an investigation into his activity related to this Bill, and Greer's, and that Dr. Gus Michael Bilirakis, the son of Congressman Bilirakis, who serves on the Suncoast Hospice Board of Directors.

331 posted on 11/13/2003 7:24:17 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; sweetliberty
It's that time for me to "hit the hay." I will see you all tomorrow. Have a good rest of the evening!
332 posted on 11/13/2003 7:26:34 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Micavaga
That usually on the drivers license .... Now longer viable since it's long cancelled.

Would a copy be left around 13 years? Probably not.

Would MS have kept it? Probably not - Since he had her pets killed as well.
333 posted on 11/13/2003 7:32:50 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sweetliberty
This is a damn good thread today!
334 posted on 11/13/2003 7:37:32 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: nicmarlo; Republic; lonevoice
BINGO -- this is just what you all were saying on the other thread (#33 & 35):

"Mary Schindler: I would love to take her outside with me in her chair in the sun. She's never left that room, three-and-a-half years -- she's never left that room.

Wendy Griffith: And Michael Schaivo will not allow her to be even brought outside to get a breath of fresh air.

Mary Schindler: No, nothing."

PING for Oprah and Larry King -- don't know how to get questions to Oprah, but HERE'S LKL and this is his email: larry.king.live3@turner.com

335 posted on 11/13/2003 7:40:52 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
Thank you! That is the document I was looking for!
336 posted on 11/13/2003 7:51:28 PM PST by wisconsinconservative (Christian, Conservative.......and proud of it)
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To: Micavaga
Welcome to FR, glad you joined. Now you can appreciate the full potential with posts & freepmail -- enjoy!
337 posted on 11/13/2003 7:51:29 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: wisconsinconservative
I've lost track of some things in this information melee, lol, and have never absorbed others, but that physical exam and evaluationis one piece of info that has truly impressed me. It's pure unadulterated TRUTH -- and totally awesome. It devastates the LIE that Terri has been in a coma!
338 posted on 11/13/2003 8:01:39 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty; pc93; nicmarlo
REMINDER FROM FLORIDUH VOTER:

We will be vigiling again this weekend.

Don't forget: Oprah tomorrow -- The Schindlers will be on.

Larry King Live tomorrow night at 9:00 pm The Schindlers

339 posted on 11/13/2003 8:07:16 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
Yes, I agree. The exam notes are very telling. I used that site (friends of terri) often as it has some of the documents that aren't available on Terri's site. I was disappointed to find that the site was gone. I have learned my lesson tho and have been saving the original docs and pdf files so I have them when they disappear.
340 posted on 11/13/2003 8:27:11 PM PST by wisconsinconservative (Christian, Conservative.......and proud of it)
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To: nicmarlo
Night nic. See you tomorrow.
341 posted on 11/13/2003 8:28:47 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Do you think George Soros is channeling money to Michael R. Schiavo, George W. Greer, and George J. Felos?
342 posted on 11/13/2003 9:07:04 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty
Incredible. And whatever happened with the bill that would drop "lewd and lascivious behavior" as a disqualifier for guardianship that was conspicuaously on the table at the same time as Felos had a motion to dismiss pending on the challenge to Schiavo's guardianship?

How many people have been convicted under the "lewd and lacivious behavior" statute for cohabitation within the last ten years? If people are never convicted of lewd and lacivious behavior, then conviction for such is no longer a meaningful factor in guardianship.

A bigger issue than whether someone has been convicted of such behavior at some point in the past would be the question of whether they were engaged in such behavior either when guardianship was being considered or at some time after it was granted. Even there, I think there should be some circumstances when it should not be a disqualifying factor (e.g. if a child's parents are killed in a car crash, and the only aunt/uncle is currently cohabiting with a fiancé(e), I would not say such cohabitation should disqualify that person for guardianship. On the other hand, I would like to see a statute make plain that a person cannot be guardian of a spouse against whom they have or are engaged in adultery.

343 posted on 11/13/2003 10:02:45 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: daylate-dollarshort
The concept means that it's illegal to give Terri Schiavo a right that others don't get.

The cure for this "flaw" would logically be that the governor gets to stay ALL death orders, or even MUST stay them. I would be cool with that.

344 posted on 11/13/2003 10:16:55 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. An unashamed Godsquadder)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Oh, and the only one who would have standing to complain about this law would be someone (or their legal proxy) who was being denied the right in question. But that would never happen under the current system anyhow.
345 posted on 11/13/2003 10:41:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. An unashamed Godsquadder)
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To: pc93
316 - Magnificent work, PC93!!
346 posted on 11/13/2003 10:55:17 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: nicmarlo
Regarding your post 283, it appears a thread was not developed for the article.

You could do so now if you believe it has a bearing on the degree of care Terri isn't receiving at this time, and if so cause it to be the basis of a complaint you can place with the Florida state agency responsible for overseeing services to the disabled and aged in that state.

347 posted on 11/13/2003 11:42:11 PM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: sweetliberty; All
Can I ask you for a big favor, please :)
I can't find the documentation about MS melting her engagement and wedding rings, and

Can anybody please help me with finding " MS killing the cats"
documentation to, I tryed to remember thread, and post, but there's thousands & thousands, and i forgot where it was.

I thank you....I am trying to inform others on other forum's...and spreading the word...xo
348 posted on 11/14/2003 1:09:00 AM PST by Orlando
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To: Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
NEW THREAD!

349 posted on 11/14/2003 2:12:01 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: supercat; sweetliberty
I would like to see a statute make plain that a person cannot be guardian of a spouse against whom they have or are engaged in adultery.

Better to be more specific:

An individual who is the SPOUSE of an incapacitated person for whom guardianship is sought SHALL NOT be appointed as guardian or temporary guardian of the incapacitated spouse if the individual seeking guardianship has been found, at any time during the marriage to said incapacitated spouse (whether or not incapacitated at the time), to have:

1. committed adultery against his/her incapacitated spouse; or

2. impregnated a woman not his wife while still married to the incapacitated spouse; or

3. fathered/birthed illegitimate offspring while married to the incapacitated spouse.


350 posted on 11/14/2003 4:08:56 AM PST by nicmarlo
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