UFO still puzzles 30 years later (Coyne Incident)

Thanks for the narration. I've got to get cable one of these days, I guess.

Don't you think Friedman is kind of goofy looking, though?

Who am I to talk about Friedman being goofy looking.

I have a white beard and on the left front and right front of my belt hang two pouch affairs with buttoned compartments in them with lots of useful stuff . . . a result of my life in Mainland China.

But yeah, he is. But I like characters. I have to. Or my mirror would disown me.

I very strongly agree.

Hideously insulting to the body politic.

I suppose in their defense . . . they had to come up with something. And given the givens, there's precious little that would make the least bit of sense.

Well, my beard is getting that way too.

I don't mind the white as long as I don't have to relearn the lessons producing it.

Have toyed periodically with setting up a UFO ping list. 1, 2 or 3 people every once in a while have shown an interest but never enough at one time to motivate me to actually set it up.

IF ENOUGH want one--say at least 6-8 people, I'll set one up. Who would like to be on one?

Bump!

I've added you to the MS WORD file the ping list is stored in.

Thanks.

Anyone else want added?

Blessings.

Please add me. Thanks!

You should have been getting recent pings. Have you been getting them?

Below are some more excerpts from Dr Steven M Greer's 1999

EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT:
The Evidence and Implications

I find the sentence about an impression of communicating with God rather interesting. Also, the part where he says that being able to put it all in a suitable paradigm for disclosure has been a challenge. The added bold color and/or underlining is my own added emphasis. I have given some commentary, critique according to my own construction on reality—my own values system. You are certainly invited to respond within yours. Qx.

pp 327-333

Letter to Those Working Closely
with Project Starlight

1 NOvember 1994

Dear ____________,

I would like to update you on recent significant developments regarding the Project Starlight effort and the CSETI initiative in general [now called DISCLOSURE PROJECT, I think].

. . .

The past six months in particular have enabled us to thoroughly assess the situation presently operating regarding a potential disclosure to the public sector of the detection of ET life forms. Some of these findings have been rather extraordinary, perhaps even briefly overwhelming for me personally, but they have contributed greatly to our knowledge of the truth on this subject. This era of fact-gathering and "testing the waters" must now give rise to significant forward movement in the Project, and we have been given a green light to move boldly forward over the next year.

Meetings with various military, governmental and intelligence sources, as well as on-going CSETI research efforts in general, have resulted in the following information and assessments:

*Through more than one source, including a recent meeting with a relevant government/intelligence liaison, we have learned that our efforts over the past 9-10 months have "had an effect in government way beyond anything you can imagine or could have hoped for", and that semi-official and indirect support exists and will be forthcoming in the direction of disclosure.

* Support exists for a civilian, external overt process to gradually replace the "internal control group" on this subject. Apparently, this decision was made in the past 2-3 months. We have been strongly encouraged to move forward as a civilian effort to collect evidence, perform briefings, and in about 1 year, bring all of this to the direct attention of major media.

[Qx: This somewhat might answer my curiosity as to why he hasn’t been terminated etc. before now. It would appear that he’s been co-opted, if not set-up to do all this to begin with IMHO].

* White House/ official governmental support will be indirect at this stage, but later acknowledgment will be forthcoming, and a commission will be appointed following media involvement.

• A direct announcement by the White House or government is not desirable at this stage

because, while certain data of superior quality may be available to them, they are not equipped, nor is it appropriate for them, to place this data in a workable cosmology or new paradigm.

This is what we must do, in concert with a significant number of other people. As I have felt all along, the barrier is not evidential or strategic (since the end of the Cold War); it is philosophical and paradigmatic. Government bureaucracy is not good at this, and this leadership initiative should rightly come from the civilian sector, with increasing indirect, and then direct support.

* We should be very wary of presentations of data devoid of an adequate elaboration of a paradigm and cosmology to contain it. Information is not knowledge, and knowledge is not wisdom; all three must be operating if this subject is to be assimilated by our civilization. Certain military, scientific or intelligence entities and individuals may be able to present the data—but what of the paradigm, the understanding, the knowledge and wisdom which must go with it? Now is the time for all of us to join to put this all together in a coherent fashion. [Oh, I suspect satan has been hard at work on that—providing a very convenient, glossy, good, pleasant appearing, sounding paradigm--for millennia. Is this part of THE GREAT DECEPTION the Bible speaks of in our era?]

* While "semi-official support" apparently is in place, I was warned of "renegade factions" which may not be so supportive. While undaunted, I am cautious of this factor, a significant wild card which must be anticipated, since this renegade faction has significant resources at its disposal.

* However, it appears that legal and constitutional support exists for this effort, and this is a major plus.

* It was stated to me that adequate data exists in the civilian research community to constitute definitive evidence for the existence of ETI; this we have known for some time. We are encouraged to move decisively in collecting this data, and completing a comprehensive briefing document containing the Best Available Evidence. This must be a very high priority, and funding needs to be secured soon for this unprecedented research project.

* The BAE briefing document must be presented along with a framework, or paradigm, for understanding this subject. The White House, the National Security Council and apparatus, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the UN. Secretary-General and U.N. Security Council, and select other foreign heads of state must be fully briefed with this BAE briefing document. Further, at the time this data is conveyed to them, we must not fail to present two other essential assessments:

1. A frank but brief discussion of the disinformation process and how they and others may be targeted for disinformation on this and related matters. In particular, we must be concerned for the potential of data devoid of a framework being later placed by certain entities into a false framework which is specifically designed to prompt a negative, hostile or violent military reaction to the presence of a false "ET threat." (See below)

2. A comprehensive assessment and framework for evolving future inter-planetary relations, to be implemented as world integration and unity progresses. We must not assume that these matters have already been thought out, since many if not all of these leaders have been largely not informed of the subject matter.

[Quix: I understand that this briefing has occurred even as long ago as a year or two ago. I think the DVD and other materials on his site contain all the currently public info that was in that briefing doc and videos.]

In general, we must not assume that key policy makers have been accurately briefed on this matter. We can assume, however, that they have directly or indirectly, at least through mass population psychological conditioning, if not more personally, been dis-informed. A responsible approach to this, it is my opinion, requires that we present the scientific data along with a well-conceived assessment and set of recommendations.

* Recent meetings with a foreign head of state, as well as with certain military and intelligence personnel, reveals that a 1989 Announcement attempt apparently failed because:

[Qx: Have long suspected such. There just seemed to be too many false starts and abortions toward such an event]

1. The announcement itself was ill-conceived and alarmist, and would have presented a spin indicating a false "ET threat."

2. A covert entity, operating with advanced psycho-electronic capabilities, created a false but convincing ET intervention, which ended the announcement process.

In any case, the lesson from this is clear: This information must be presented in a truthful, positive framework, and we must be aware, and inform various leaders (see above) of the risk of retrograde factions attempting to derail the process.

I do not feel that it is productive to dwell on these matters, and they certainly do not need to be gone into with any detail publicly. But we must be aware of them.

We have learned (and I have experienced on at least one occasion first hand) that certain covert entities possess technological means for inducing programmable experiences electronically. The so-called MK ULTRA and other psycho-electronic mind control technologies are fully operational. A reliable navy source informs me that off-the –shelf capability exists that, if desired, an individual could be induced remotely to "have a personal conversation with their personal God, and he would believe it was real." We should, therefore, be aware of the extent to which disinformation and psychological warfare may be applied, and not be deceived by it. Moreover, we must quietly assure that our leaders and policy makers are not misled. [Qx: One of my PhD program professors was full time employed in Navy brain research. He usually walked around with a fairly worried look on his face].

We have also learned that capability exists to launch a false but convincing ET hostile action, which could result in certain unfortunate actions by the military, the NSC, the U.N., and others. This must be averted at all costs, since such an event would send us down a path of unwarranted conflict.

Finally, we have learned that, unfortunately, advanced and classified weapons are operational and have been already used to fire upon, and in at least one event destroy, ET spacecraft. I would dismiss this account, except it has come to me from more that one source deemed reliable. If there is only a 1% chance that this could be true, we must assemble a few elder statesmen to ensure that a "stand down" order is in place to stop these actions. I have recently asked about whether such a stand down order is in place, and was told that it now is, but we must confirm this and assure that no future events of this type occur.

*A significant scientist and astronomer with excellent contacts in the physics, astronomy and SETI fields will be lending his considerable support to our effort, and will arrange briefings within senior ranks of these areas. He will also assist us in pulling together significant new evidence, some from new and important sources within the above mentioned fields of study.

The following comments are personal reflections which I wish to share with you [Dr Steven Greer, still].

The past year has been interesting, to say the least, but it has not been always easy. I have made mistakes, and there have been successes. I hope that you will overlook my shortcomings, and will understand that your help and support is needed, now more than ever.

I must confess that at one point earlier this summer, I was rather inclined to withdraw from this effort altogether, and indeed would have had an extraordinary personal experience not occurred. But it is clear that for whatever reasons we may grasp with our minds, heart and spirit somehow require that we go forward [sic]. We are humans, and therefore will make mistakes, but the larger Plan is unfolding and will be fulfilled, notwithstanding our frailties. A largeness of Spirit must inform our every word and action, and only inner guidance will enable us to steer this ship through the turbulent waters ahead.

This is an effort which we must love deeply. Somewhere, deep within us, and within the heart of the universe, a call has gone forward, and somehow we must answer it. I cannot escape this movement within the heart, though perhaps at times I wish I could. We will be tested, but I believe never beyond our capacity. For if we look to the great, universal Spirit, guidance will be there, within our selves and mysteriously appearing in the world around us.

We must not look to our own, finite selves, but to the great Spirit which is informing and quickening this process. No power on Earth, covert or otherwise, can transcend this guidance. We must be assured of the ultimate goodness of our future here on Earth, and keep our vision on the bright, far horizon, while yet being attentive to the path before our feet.

The most, the best, we can do is to allow our individual, finite selves to be at the service of a rapidly unfolding Plan, the Architect of which is infinitely wise and skillful. In a true sense, we need only to get out of our own way, to forget self and follow guidance. Even as it is said in the Mathnavi, a mystical writing: "The death of self is needed here, not rhetoric: Be nothing, then, and walk upon the waves.” [Qx: IMHO: When we die to self and are buried with and resurrected IN Jesus—King of Kings and Lord of Lords—we become MORE uniquely ourselves vs less and vs the pantheistic nothingness of ‘Ommmm’].

Indeed, we are entering a Day which shall not be followed by night [I’d say, we are entering a night that will be followed by eternal day—Quix], an era the likes of which the Earth has never seen nor even been capable of visualizing until now. The onset of universal peace [when they cry “PEACE! PEACE!” then comes sudden destruction—The Bible says; Qx] is at hand, and the light of this Day is young and growing. Nor should we be dismayed by the onset of intervening clouds, for they are as nothing and will be burned away with the growing warmth of this light.

We have the blessing and the burden of living in the most potent decade of the most momentous century in the history of the Earth [so far as our puny perceptions, history and experience can guess at; Qx]. Let us not doubt the vast potential of this time and place, for it has been anticipated for millennia, and Providence will assure its fulfillment. We can only ask ourselves “what can I do to assist in the birth of this new era?” and then strive to fulfill the guidance which follows. And it will follow.

Whenever I try to flee this responsibility, it meets me around the next corner, and demands an answer; and I am sure others of you have had a similar experience. The only answer that I have found is to give myself to it as selflessly as possible, to forget all limitations and move positively forward.

And even those who fear a threat should know this: no threat can overcome the future which awaits the Earth, and no threat, real or imagined or contrived, will deter the Divine Plan [CORRECT ON THAT ONE!; though what he et al construe as THE DIVINE PLAN and what God Almighty’s actual divine plan is are likely to be quite different, IMHO--Qx]. And if real, no threat will be overcome by the old ways, but only a new way of creating peace will succeed in this new time. Forget the missiles. Forget the many means of conflict, for only the heart filled with the spirit of love will ensure the undying peace which assuredly awaits us [some truth to the latter but only as such hearts are connected (sheep to Shepherd; hand in hand) to THE ONE WHO IS LOVE, WHO IS PEACE, WHO DIED AND ROSE AGAIN THE 3RD DAY TO PROVE IT—regardless of whatever holographic purported ‘historic videos’ are proffered by ET’s or their human cohorts; Qx].

Let no doubt deter you; let no fear detract you. This is not the time for timidity or withdrawal, but for action, rightly guided [RIGHTLY guided by HOLY SPIRIT and not any counterfeits!; Qx]. Ten years from now, we will not recognize the Earth, so great will be its transformation [yet again, the timelines appear to be overly stated, presumptively stated; Qx]. With strength and yet with humility, let us move together into the light of this new world, unfettered by either our own failings, or the sounds from the fading night.

Personally, this has presented something of a crisis for me, and for my family. The crushing hours spent in my medical practice, the long and exhausting hours spent on CSETI work, and the usual family responsibilities, altogether are overwhelming. Something simply must go, and we have decided that, at least for a couple of years, it should be my medical career. Hence, I am resigning my position at the hospital, and rather on faith, will move forward full time with this effort. Emily and I are willing to make this sacrifice, and while we are unsure where our personal means of support will come from, we have always believed that “Where God guides, God provides…” [Qx: quite so—IF—God is truly doing the guiding.]

Let us pray for one another, and look always to what is possible. Knowing that there is one Mind shining from the brow of every life form in creation, let us work towards the fulfillment of a universal peace, where indeed there will be one universe, inhabited by one people.

I look forward to working with you in this effort, and hope you will let me know how you can assist in this important undertaking.

Assuring you of my prayers and abiding affection,
Faithfully,
Steven M. Greer, M.D.
Director of CSETI

Quix: There you have it. Flame away. Better yet, perhaps one might respond thoughtfully and charitably in the spirit of shared dialogue and exploration amongst the puzzle pieces. The puzzle pieces are not going away. We may as well play with them thoughtfully. Some might turn out to have been and to be important. [Qx: I find him an incredibly courageous character. I find him believable. I’m confident he’s confident of what he’s saying. I pray God does end up guiding him and alerting him to deceptions within deceptions; mirrors upon mirrors etc. until he clearly and definitely knows the Voice of our Lord Jesus, The Christ. I’m quite skeptical he’s there yet by some margin].

Quix, very good post!

THANKS MUCH.

What are your thoughts, reflections, opinions on whatever parts you are willing to give such on?

Re: That evening, in a soybean field on the west side of Galion, Rene Boucher and her brother Brad encountered a bright light in the sky that has lured her from Florida for another sojourn into that field.

Were Rene and Brad smoking those soybeans?

Very good post! At the very least our taxes will accomplish more funding this kind of stuff than, say, Planned Parenthood and those 3 federal officers in airports who get paid to munch donuts and feel up women's bras at security checkpoints (I saw this over last Thanksgiving--I kid you not).

A covert entity, operating with advanced psycho-electronic capabilities, created a false but convincing ET intervention, which ended the announcement process.

Wonder what he's talking about. Curiouser and curiouser.

The latter is literally tin-foil hat stuff in the sense that it has to do with electronically inducing within the human brain sesnations, thoughts, images, "memories," which are not real but are provided by the technology involved--but which virtually all people would have a very great difficulty distinguishing from what was real.

There's sufficient scientific papers on brain wave etc. research to believe that the covert stuff is way beyond what is known publically.

Of course, saying such hereon, is likely to get you flamed or a few containers of tinfoil dumped on your online lawn.

I've done a little work with doing computational models of the brain (basically, emulating certain parts of the brain) and basically, everything in the brain is based on the strength and weaknesses of neural connections of the neurons to each other... I simply don't see how you can aim a ray and target specific neurons and neural connections such that you can strengthen/weaken them...

If that kind of memory-altering stuff exists, it'd be by psychological means IMHO... I read an article about a relatively mentally healthy girl who had a normal life, who went to see a psychologist regularly, and she suddenly found out that she had many multiple personalities (bull fed to her by the psychologist) and she suddenly recovered a whole bunch of (false) "repressed" memories... she ended up trying to get her father in jail for rape he never committed (he wasn't found guilty, thankfully)... quite a sad article.

Of course, there's always the drug route to make you forget stuff...

It's been a while since I've read professional literature on the topic.

My flawed faint memory has it that there's ample published stuff to believe that at least moods can be effected by certain frequencies of the eletromagnetic spectrum.

And, there's some significant evidence that 'spiritual' etherial etc. sorts of imaging, feelings, communications can be mimiced by certain frequences. Some have gone so far as to assert thereby that there is no God, it's all a function of wave action on certain regions of the brain etc.

How can a layman or even uninvolved professional know.

But here's some other things I know . . . which MIGHT afford some inferences . . .

God knows our thoughts afar off.

UFO's have persistently demonstrated--some pretty big ones--to know what some observers thousands of feet to thousands of yards away--are thinking. Individuals have been able to get the UFO's to do very specific SEQUENCES of movements according to their merely THOUGHT requests.

satan certainly has no trouble infecting all kinds of folks with all kinds of thoughts and not just Jimmy Carter.

One might suppose that there's a physiological/physics component to such phenomena.

Now what gets really incredible is that some folks assert that the devious puppet masters can use such technologies FROM SATELLITE to effect individuals within major geographic areas!!!

I can believe that they could do that in terms of winding up violence; mob actions etc. I could believe that they can do that in terms of numbing--maybe even mellowing everyone into a passive mass of protoplasm. I still find it quite something to stretch my mind around that they could generate more or less specific thoughts or sequences of more or less specific thoughts in individuals over significant geographic areas.

But imagine . . . if power mongering people like Shrillery et al had come into information that a given area of research--whether via ET stuff or otherwise--that MIGHT eventually yield such a technology--MOST OF THEM WOULD JUMP ON IT WITH BLANK CHECKBOOKS AND RIDE IT AS FAR AS THEY COULD. That's the nature of tyranny and power mongering. Given that, I'll not be toooooo surprised if most of Greer's assertions along such lines eventually proves to be true.

Another puzzle piece MIGHT bear on this. The book I've mostly read about preventing abductions involves mostly SUPER, SUPER QUICK WINDING UP ONE'S ANGER, ONE'S AGGRESSIVELY ASSERTIVE INSISTENCE THAT ONE WILL NOT comply with the ET critters. Some assert that praying aggressively and authoritatively in tongues--taking authority in Jesus' Blood etc. will abort the abduction. But all such has to be done within picoseconds of awareness that ETs are in the area. Otherwise, ET's evidently have a wand implemented technology of some sort which paralyzes the individual and usually renders them unconscious to varying degrees.

The aspect of being able to abort the abduction by winding up one's adrenalin could be plausible--it could function to negate some subtle but potent technological impacts on certain limbic and other systems in the brain.

Then, if the ET's have the technology--and they've been sharing it with us . . . hmmmmmm.

These are all just puzzle pieces that I persistently collect info on and wait and see what God confirms as having some level of validity enough to be more seriously alert to.

I don't wear tin-foil hats and don't anticipate doing so. I figure Christ's Blood and Holy Spirit are sufficient regardless of the technology. The One for whom the grave had no power over; who quieted the waves with a word; who walked upon the waves; who multiplied bread and fish; who, before that, caused the Israeli's clothes to not wear out for 40 years along with water out of a rock at a word and walking across a dry sea bed . . . that One can protect those who are His and do what they can to walk hand in hand with Him.

Otherwise, one might have plenty cause to be terminally stressed out even if only 2% of the contentions of Greer et al had some truth to them.

Just IMHO.

Please tell me you're just making up that story about teaching composition.

I love it. I wondered when someone was going to protest.

PLEASE--tell me your perspective!

BTW, I wouldn't judge my writing skills 100% from my FR output! Pristine grammar has never been a priority for me.

Communication is my goal and usually I manage enough of that for my purposes.

But, hey--I'm happy to learn. What do you want to teach me?

BTW, no, it was not a joke. Though this next semester I'll only be teaching psychology. Maybe others agree with you?

I received the following via FREEPMAIL. My replies follow each question.

OTHER FREEPER: Wouldn't the access to extraterrestrial technology be a great benefit to all humans?

QUIX:
EVENTUALLY, YES. AT least theoretically.

But getting there from here is no easy task. VESTED INTERESTS are enormously powerful. And, they have a VESTED INTEREST in blocking such or at least holding it off as long as possible.

1) The current system emphasizes CENTRALIZED POWER. Even the electrical and petroleum power distribution is centralized and occupies a lot of the time and interests of centralized government forces world wide and locally.

2) As we have seen with Shrillery, POWER MONGERS are, well, POWER MONGERS--and LOATHE to surrender a picogram of power.

3a) Assume sufficiently powerful politicians [the critters like diapers--because they need to be changed often and are full of the same thing] . . . assume sufficiently powerful politicians decide we will OUT this info and go for the transition.

3b) Assume that it was USA leaders alone. Powerful forces in the rest of the world would do probably everything possible to prevent such. Money talks and money kills. The Saudi's alone would have a bit of money to hire assassins with. The Russians and Chinese would love a chance to neuter the USA on any pretext.

3c1) Assume that it was a collusion of globalists who decided the time had finally come to OUT their long made plans for world government. They carefully lay out how it is essential for world survival. They carefully bring the ET's in as assistants in saving the earth or as combatants to unite the world against or maybe figure out some complex way to play all sides against the middle depending on the particular ET race etc. But there's a catch. The only way to manage such a complex transition from the old to the new, we, the new citizens of the world, have to grant to the new Global Government Tyrants unlimited powers to insure a minimum of disruption etc. (actually, to maximize their power but they won't frame it that way--they will frame it that it's essential to all our very survival and the survival of the planet, the biosphere etc.).

3c2) THEREFORE, every global citizen must have a SLAG [SLave tAG] implantable smart card/ID chip or some such. Every global citizen must swear allegiance to the new global religion to promote global harmony. Every global citizen must swear allegiance to the new Global Government and leader to promote harmony and merit allocation of increasingly scarce resources like food, medicine against engineered diseases; etc. Otherwise, we will be told and it will be demonstrated on unlimited media presentations with plenty of hoaxes thrown in amidst the truths and half truths--it will be demonstrated on unlimited media presentations that OUT WITH THE OLD and IN WITH THE NEW is essential for all our survival. Those not complying will be framed as old fashioned, backwards, ignorant, unscientific, evil, destructive and warranting extermination in the interest of planetary survival.

3c3) Those who comply will be framed, characterized as WITH IT, COOL, PROGRESSIVE, MODERN, MERITING THE NEW WORLD ORDER; MERITING ADVANCED MEDS AND THE BETTER FOODS; MERITING BETTER HOUSING ETC. Eventually, meriting living vs being terminated.

4a) IF the new energy technology comes out too quickly or without the heavy handed control of the puppet masters, then their centralized control is at risk of being lost. They will do all they can to prevent that. Considering all they've done so far--some would say starting WWI and WWII as well as all the other wars . . . they could probably do quite a lot.

OTHER FREEPER: Why is there such a need for secrecy?

QUIX:
A) To avoid social upheaval. Christians, Moslems etc. are supposedly going to be upset because the ET's will supposedly prove that they created Christ, Buddha etc. for social stability reasons.

B) To maintain the puppe master's heavy handed control of the advanced ET technologies as long as possible.

C) To protect governmental and industry people who've ordered the killings of countless people to maintain the secrecy and the grip on power of the power elites currently in control.

D) And, to protect some valid national security technologies derrived from the ET's and ET craft.

E) To prevent other countries from profiting from USA's advanced research in the ET technologies and the evidently upper hand compared to other countries.

F) No one has come up with a suitable way to disclose the whole mess without risking enormous chaos and upheaval socially, politically, theologically, militarily, geopolitically etc.

. . .

OTHER FREEPER:
I don't understand the link between UFOs and the antichrist.

QUIX:
The Bible is very clear that the world of the era wherein Israel became a nation again "in a day," as it did in 1948 with the UN vote--that era would see the development of a world government which would at least end up ruled by the AntiChrist who would demand to be worshipped as God and terminate all who did not comply.

EVEN Greer is championing the development of a world government to handle the transition from oil to zero-point energy technologies.

Buckle seatbelts, group.

This is not the E ticket ride; this is the Z ticket ride.

I have long suspected that stories about military and CIA involvement in illegal drugs to help fund the black projects related to UFO's . . .

have long suspected

that such tales were far too true for comfort.

In a later section of Greer's book, he affirms that such is true. Sad. Very sad. Such contributed to the death of my own sister in a major way.

I plan to post some more such sections later today, if I get to it.