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1 posted on 05/31/2016 4:38:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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This reminds me of when Cruz told Trump he couldn’t beat Hillary. Trump: “If I can’t beat her then you’re really going to get killed!”. Classic. Ted just gulped and smiled.


2 posted on 05/31/2016 4:44:32 PM PDT by toddausauras (Trump 2016)
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Reality check, unfortunately.


3 posted on 05/31/2016 4:45:30 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty
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Charlie Cook is one of those bright minds who wrote that Trump had no chance of winning the nomination.

Hillary represents wall street and Bernie supporters are socialists. Anybody who doesn’t see a problem there for her is either delusional or a dumbass like Charlie Cook.


6 posted on 05/31/2016 4:51:46 PM PDT by Helicondelta
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Maybe. I can make similar assumptions that indicate a Trump landslide. Historically my assumptions have fallen flat. But I feel (or hope) the anti-establishment and anti-hillary attitude will come through this time. The Trump and Bernie primaries seem to support optimism (for my goal of Trump, not Kristol’s goal of Hillary)


13 posted on 05/31/2016 4:58:44 PM PDT by LostPassword
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Maybe. I can make similar assumptions that indicate a Trump landslide. Historically my assumptions have fallen flat. But I feel (or hope) the anti-establishment and anti-hillary attitude will come through this time. The Trump and Bernie primaries seem to support optimism (for my goal of Trump, not Kristol’s goal of Hillary)


14 posted on 05/31/2016 4:58:44 PM PDT by LostPassword
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Trump will beat crooked Shitlery like a rented mule...


17 posted on 05/31/2016 5:02:38 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (FUBO)
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We can think of nearly 200 people. Only one has indicated a willingness ( not a desire, he’s just considering it is all) to vote for Hillary. By contrast, Trump ( and Bernie) enjoy great support — plus a number of Bernie people say they’ll definitely vote for Trump before they’ll ever vote for Hillary the Corruptoidess We do not see Hillary as having a chance in Hell of beating Trumo


20 posted on 05/31/2016 5:07:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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I don’t think it will be all that close, either.

When faced with the choice of Trump/American vs Multi-national Hillary, Americans will vote American.


24 posted on 05/31/2016 5:32:12 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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“It is ex­ceed­ingly un­likely that Clin­ton will beat Trump by a wide mar­gin be­cause of her high neg­at­ives and the in­tense par­tis­an­ship that has gripped the na­tion, but the prob­ab­il­it­ies still are in her fa­vor.”

Glad to see this, since EVERY OTHER PREDICTION about Trump has been wrong - just add this. While Mr. Koch is right in that if the party voters line up with their party candidate, Hillary could win. But what he neglects, or more likely chooses to ignore, is Trump’s CROSS-OVER appeal...which is one of the top reasons he won the nomination in the first place.

This is not a typical candidate trying to win at the margins (if that), because Trump is saying things that 70% of the electorate (i.e., white voters), having been TOTALLY IGNORED by both parties, want to hear. What that means is that in states that have large white majorities, but usually vote Democrat, or are tossups, like Michigan (76% white), Wisconsin (83% white), Ohio (81% white), and Pennsylvania (79% white), Trump will be VERY COMPETITIVE and may just take all 4 of the above (and also note that turnout among whites is even higher than the population percentages listed above, so add a few percent to those).

Now I’m going to go back to see if Mr. Koch got it right on Trump last summer...why do I think I know that answer without looking?


25 posted on 05/31/2016 5:33:53 PM PDT by BobL
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Anti Trump article through and through....

And you liked it??????????


26 posted on 05/31/2016 5:33:59 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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I think this article has merit — I have seen this same line of thinking articulated in numerous places and it’s true, once the Dems coalesce around Hillary, it will be a much different race.

All that said — I’d like to know what the polls looked like in 2008 when McCain had the GOP nomination sewn up relatively early, while Hillary and Obama slugged it out until May or June. I’m too lazy to look it up, but just going by memory, it seems like McCain still trailed significantly in the polls. Of course, the political environment was far worse for the GOP then, and McCain was a lowsy candidate, but I think it would still be a good comparison to this year’s race.

With all that has happened this election year, anybody who writes off Trump in the general would be a fool. He’s been underestimated all year, and I think if the Dems had a decent candidate, he’d be heavily favored to lose. But Hillary is just so bad (and the Dems don’t really have a viable “plan B”) that I think Trump’s got at least a 50/50 shot.


34 posted on 05/31/2016 5:49:35 PM PDT by lquist1
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Boy, that didn’t take long. Why even give these clowns the time of day if they’re SO FAR OFF. Here are a couple of examples:

July, 2015: “So, will the Trump “surge” do damage to the GOP brand for 2016? Plenty of Democrats, including Hillary “Basta” Clinton,would like to think so. But, given the minuscule attention span of the average American, it’s hard to believe that the Trump era will be remembered much past September.” [[note: he’s referring to September, 2015, as in last year - he also mentioned the insurmountable lead that Hillary has against Trump. You know, the ‘lead’ that has since evaporated.]]

http://cookpolitical.com/story/8676


August, 2015:
“Trump Will Never Be the Republican Nominee,’ Charlie Cook Says”
“This is a summer fling, nothing more”
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-11/-trump-will-never-be-the-republican-nominee-charlie-cook-says

also, August, 2015:
“While there are few if any experienced GOP pros or political reporters who think Trump can actually win the nomination...”
“But the McCain incident also suggests that, while Trump’s candidacy is almost certainly destined to fail...”
“When asked which candidates might logically benefit if—or, more likely, when—Trump deflates”

http://cookpolitical.com/story/8714

Sucks we have the Internet these days...


39 posted on 05/31/2016 5:51:57 PM PDT by BobL
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If the truth was known, Hillary 25%-—Trump 75%...the paid off talking heads and radio show hosts don’t want to report it; the media twits aren’t smart enough; the MSM lies so much no one would believe it anyway...

But you heard it here first, the truth will come out and when it does, Hillary is NOT going to be in the White House, she’ll be in a house, one with bars on it...


49 posted on 05/31/2016 6:05:03 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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I think UpChuck Todd is playing fast and loose with the poll cited in the article. Since I didn't find a link to the poll, I'm not sure where he gets off adding 70% of Sanders voters to Hillary. Those should have been separate poll questions.

On NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, the al­ways-pres­ci­ent mod­er­at­or Chuck Todd said much the same thing but ap­proached it in an­oth­er way. First Todd poin­ted to the May 15-19 NBC News/Wall Street Journ­al poll, not­ing that Sanders bested Trump in the sur­vey by 15 points, 54 to 39 per­cent, while Clin­ton had a scant 3-point edge over Trump, 46 to 43 per­cent. Todd then cal­cu­lated that if 70 per­cent of the voters who sup­por­ted Sanders against Trump sub­sequently moved in­to Clin­ton’s corner, she would then have an 8-point lead, 51 to 43 per­cent.

The only way you can add a percentage of one candidate's voters to another candidate is if the question where phrased as a three-way race. There is no indication that it was.

"Ceterum censeo Hillary esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

52 posted on 05/31/2016 6:07:16 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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I have yet to find ONE person who is saying they will vote for Hillary.

And when she wins the presidency (I believe that her and the CPUSA already have that wrapped up... why else would she not have press conferences ? She was FORCED to campaign this year by the DNC) I will still ask around for anyone who voted for her.

She’s kept afloat since day 1 by corruption and election fraud. And I have to repeat this everywhere I go: If Bernie is on the ballot, her win will be mathematically _impossible_.


56 posted on 05/31/2016 6:10:29 PM PDT by Celerity
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Cook is in denial himself.


61 posted on 05/31/2016 6:24:48 PM PDT by upsdriver (I support Sarah Palin.)
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The people who work for a living have to outnumber the freeloaders at the polls in November. If they do that, it’s Trump in a landslide. Clinton supporters are the people Alex de Toqueville warned us about.


67 posted on 05/31/2016 6:35:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to take the ticks out of politics.)
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