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To: Mariner

Obviously you do not believe in open market capitalism. If programmers are available for $20/hr, then it is obviously not a skill which requires $50/hr paychecks.

In the meanwhile new chemical engineering graduates are being offered $50/hr as a starting salary!


13 posted on 05/01/2015 10:39:46 AM PDT by entropy12 (Prediction: Walker will win Iowa primary, NH is wide open, SC looking good for Cruz)
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To: entropy12
Obviously you do not believe in open market capitalism

I'm all for it...across State lines.

The U.S. is its own free trade area. No one planned to include the rest of the planet in the deal.

23 posted on 05/01/2015 11:00:26 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: entropy12

Go ahead and define open market capitalism. Then look around and see if that is what the world has. You are, at best, using a mistaken world view to sell a policy that harms America to the benefit of foreigner’s and Corporations. Corporations that participate in this practice are either apathetic to the plight of American workers or aren’t American companies. Why should the American government, created for the sole purpose of protecting American rights, be helping these companies instead of American citizens?


28 posted on 05/01/2015 11:08:14 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: entropy12

The problem is there is no quality in software anymore. You have millions of apps and programs that come on the market and make some money and in 3-4 years they are replaced with another “latest and greatest”. So these companies are modeled to turn out the quickest and easiest piece of shiite they can to make some money quick and then the market share dries up and they change products or go south the owners move on and start fresh. The pure Agile methodology is a perfect example of how we are settling for quick and dirty instead of quality that lasts.

The H1B programmer fits that model. They work at one place for about 2 years turning out convoluted crap that “just” works then they move on with their sightseeing America tour.


35 posted on 05/01/2015 11:26:56 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: entropy12; SoConPubbie
"Obviously you do not believe in open market capitalism."

Yes I do, but not when we are the only nation with an open market. Right now we are being fed upon by Mercantilists from every corner of the globe.

The US Labor market is nearly completely open to all comers. The H-1b's you frivolously dismiss just outsourced SoCon Edison. All of their IT, which is substantial.

Were all of those folks overpaid? Must the US labor market be equalized to the lowest common denominator?

Those we not just coding jobs. They were also job that require physical presence...Network Construction etc.

Since each of you is smugly confident in YOUR abilities, what about your children? Will they be able to compete with somebody at $20/hr? Is that how they will pay off their student loan?

Do you even givva sh!t about the cultural impact?

Are you associated with any political/PAC/Campaign or Chamber of Commerce entity?

40 posted on 05/01/2015 12:35:31 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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