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Ted Cruz disputes MSNBC claim he supports legalization of illegal immigrants
Legal Insurrection ^ | March 27, 2015 | Kemberlee Kaye

Posted on 03/27/2015 11:09:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 03/27/2015 11:09:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are going to use the illegal immigration issue to drive a wedge through the Republican electorate. They want a large enough number to be so dispirited that they refuse to vote. I say, don’t let them push your buttons and act like an all emotions and no rational thought DemonRAT.

All Republicans should support a total closing of the border with the best technology and troops. They should demand that those who are in the United States had better follow our laws.

If I made policy, I would deport all those who commit a felony. Why should our tax dollars support their incarceration? That is money out of our pockets plus the jobs they took away from the good, law-abiding citizens. Those who rack up a certain number of crimes should also be deported. Why should we let them bleed us of the cost of incarceration when deportation would end the cost of their serial lawbreaking? I say three strike and you’re out!

I would end the citizen by birth babies under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The time of slavery, for which this amendment was made, has long gone. No one should use this tactic to gain citizenship for a child—and the rest of the family.


2 posted on 03/27/2015 11:31:08 PM PDT by jonrick46 (America's real drug problem: other people's money (the Commutist's opium addiction).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is clear the Cruz supports amnesty, that is allowing illegal aliens now in the US to stay. He couldn’t be much this past week. I call it amnesty, he calls it legalization, saying amnesty involves giving path to citizenship. BS. Any reward of illegal activity is amnesty. Cruz risks creating a mockery of his credibility by arguing the definition of “is”. In unfortunate reality, his stance is really no different than Walker, Bush, and others.


3 posted on 03/27/2015 11:47:01 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: Reno89519

Even Ike, who many idolize here due to his “Operation Wetback” program, which would be politically infeasible today, had a guest worker program. Look it up. Also, attacking Ted Cruz here and being a recent sign-up might be hazardous to your being here a year from now. I’m not threatening you or reporting you to anybody, just letting you know that you may be on thin ice.


4 posted on 03/27/2015 11:53:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://www.tedcruz.org/donate/)
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To: Reno89519; jonrick46; 2ndDivisionVet
It is clear the Cruz supports amnesty, that is allowing illegal aliens now in the US to stay. He couldn’t be much this past week. I call it amnesty, he calls it legalization, saying amnesty involves giving path to citizenship. BS. Any reward of illegal activity is amnesty. Cruz risks creating a mockery of his credibility by arguing the definition of “is”. In unfortunate reality, his stance is really no different than Walker, Bush, and others.

You are wrong and misinformed.

If you had read this article and the well reasoned comments to it, you would realize that Cruz has never advocated the legalization, or regularization of status, of anyone who is residing in the United States illegally.

You have been deceived by those who seek to dispirit and dishearten conservatives by misattribution.

Welcome to FR.

5 posted on 03/28/2015 12:08:53 AM PDT by Praxeologue ( ')
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To: Praxeologue

I wrote about the use of the amnesty issue to drive a wedge through the Republican electorate. I was writing about the MSNBC effort suggesting Senator Cruz’s support for the legalization of undocumented individuals. As for my take on the issue, let these “undocumented individuals” write their own ticket out of here. There are ways to discourage them from staying in the United States, ways to deport them and ways to keep more of them from coming in. I have touched on some of the ways in my post #2, However, let’s bring on a polite discussion on more of the ways. Maybe Senator Ted Cruz will read them.


6 posted on 03/28/2015 12:34:44 AM PDT by jonrick46 (America's real drug problem: other people's money (the Commutist's opium addiction).)
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To: Reno89519

How would you discourage the “undocumented individuals” from staying in the United States? The magnetic attraction must be countered. Any ideas?


7 posted on 03/28/2015 12:39:14 AM PDT by jonrick46 (America's real drug problem: other people's money (the Commutist's opium addiction).)
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To: jonrick46
let’s bring on a polite discussion on more of the ways

Hi, jonrick46

I agree with your posts.

I was replying to Reno89519, but added you to the distribution list.

When I sense that someone is attempting to suppress or discourage conservatives through misinformation, however, I sometimes give decorum a back seat.

8 posted on 03/28/2015 12:53:58 AM PDT by Praxeologue ( ')
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To: Praxeologue

You are a faithful FRiend and supporter of the truth.


9 posted on 03/28/2015 12:57:57 AM PDT by jonrick46 (America's real drug problem: other people's money (the Commutist's opium addiction).)
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To: jonrick46

Your statagy would lead to 3 x 20 = 60 million new Latin voters—and the obliteration of anything close to a conservative majority or policies in our country.

If the GOP continues in advocating such positions it should have a wedge driven through it—and a stake pounded through its heart as well.


10 posted on 03/28/2015 1:00:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: jonrick46

“How would you discourage the “undocumented individuals” from staying in the United States? The magnetic attraction must be countered. Any ideas?”

Don’t give them jobs. Put those caught hiring illegals in jail. But that isn’t enough. 12 million illegals are not going home. Won’t happen. They are here to stay and anyone suggesting the best way for them to stay here is by doing X is being in favor of amnesty.

Bottom line. Any amnesty plan that doesn’t begin with “before amnesty is considered the border must be sealed” is worthless. Conservatives will still stay away from the candidate, but it might draw enough squish votes away from the rat to carry the election.


11 posted on 03/28/2015 2:39:09 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Islam is the military wing of the Communist party.)
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To: Reno89519
It is clear the Cruz supports amnesty, that is allowing illegal aliens now in the US to stay. He couldn’t be much this past week. I call it amnesty, he calls it legalization, saying amnesty involves giving path to citizenship.

The definition of "Amnesty" (from the Greek ἀμνηστία amnestia, "forgetfulness") is defined as: "A pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usually for a political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been convicted."[1] It includes more than pardon, in as much as it obliterates all legal remembrance of the offense.

I'm not sure that this is what Ted Cruz favors, but it is clear that you will only be satisfied if every illegal is forcefully returned to their country of origin. Good luck with that pipe dream.

12 posted on 03/28/2015 4:31:08 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The people here, me included, want to hear the word DEPORT. We simply won’t be hearing that...none of the major candidates has used that word. Instead we’re left with different levels of legalization (either by stating you won’t deport, or by going a step further and handing out work permits, or next by green cards, or finally by “the path”).

Cruz is clear that he won’t go past the “work permit” stage...and it’s still arguable whether he’ll even go that far. That still puts him to the right of Scott Walker and way to the right of just about every other candidate.

So, given everything else he’s done, and the fact that about 94 other Senators hate his guts, I’m still with him, totally!


13 posted on 03/28/2015 5:15:35 AM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my home page))
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Our grandchildren are going to schools in TX that have only 20% White students, with 45% Latinos, many with limited English. Their parents can’t afford private schools, so they are stuck in this situation. Shame on the Supreme Court for tuning the public schools in border states into magnets for illegal immigration.


14 posted on 03/28/2015 5:26:31 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: USS Alaska

We can dream...


15 posted on 03/28/2015 5:30:06 AM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: USS Alaska
"I'm not sure that this is what Ted Cruz favors, but it is clear that you will only be satisfied if every illegal is forcefully returned to their country of origin. Good luck with that pipe dream."

Some call anything short of this 'amnesty'. Many posters on FR call anything short of this 'amnesty'. Here's what I think about dealing with the 11 to 20 million illegals now here:

1) Seal the borders.
2) Don't do anything else until the borders are sealed.
3) Require proof of citizenship before allowing anyone to vote.
4) Pass a law prohibiting citizenship for anyone who has entered the US illegally.
5) Pass a law eliminating the citizenship status of babies born to illegal immigrants.
6) After all this is in place, and proven to be effective, begin discussions about what to do with the illegals currently residing in the US.

Some think there is a need for poorly educated non-English speaking guest workers who will work for low wages. This doesn't seem logical to me, but I'm open to hearing the arguments for and against it. I will probably be accused of being a RINO traitor in favor of amnesty for even bringing up the topic.

16 posted on 03/28/2015 6:28:38 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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After all this is in place, and proven to be effective, begin discussions about what to do with the illegals currently residing in the US.

What is their to discuss, they need to repatriate themselves. ASAP.

17 posted on 03/28/2015 6:30:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jonrick46
"They are going to use the ((fill in the blank) issue to drive a wedge through the Republican electorate."

SOP, every time. It's all they got as a primary work list of things to say and do.

18 posted on 03/28/2015 6:33:17 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: central_va
"What is their to discuss"

For one, the discussion of deporting those who can't write with proper English.

19 posted on 03/28/2015 6:35:07 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Kale; Jarhead9297; COUNTrecount; notaliberal; DoughtyOne; RitaOK; MountainDad; ...
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20 posted on 03/28/2015 10:03:34 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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