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Lawsuit, as promised, challenges anti-smoking ordinance
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Posted on 07/05/2002 5:21:02 PM PDT by chance33_98

Lawsuit, as promised, challenges anti-smoking ordinance

KULR-8 Television & The Associated Press

HELENA, July 5 - Several businesses have filed a lawsuit challenging the anti-smoking ordinance that Helena voters adopted last month in the primary election.

It is the stiffest such ordinance in Montana, prohibiting smoking in any public indoor place, including restaurants, bars and casinos. Many of those businesses and others campaigned against it, but it gained 61% of the vote.

The lawsuit, which opponents had promised they would file, says the city has no authority to adopt such an ordinance, and that it violates property rights and is causing economic hardship. It names the city and the Lewis and Clark County Board of Health and the city-county health department.


TOPICS: Government; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: pufflist
Maybe Montana will start a trend...
1 posted on 07/05/2002 5:21:02 PM PDT by chance33_98
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3 posted on 07/05/2002 5:34:31 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: chance33_98
Oklahoma's non smoking laws took effect on Friday, and we went out to eat twice over the holiday. It was really interesting to watch the developing dynamic. We were immediately seated in the bar and got to watch all the "regulars" come in, some with cigarette already out of the pack, told that Red Lobster was total non-smoking. Some unkind exchanges did occur.

The way the law is written, if an establishment has a smoking section, it almost has to be a separate building, where there is NO chance of smoke entering an area where it's not supposed to be. Restaurants can go total NON, total smoking, or "provisional non-smoking" which means they have to jump thru a lot of hoops in keeping smokers and their smoke absolutely isolated from the rest.

4 posted on 07/05/2002 5:47:49 PM PDT by Treebeard
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To: chance33_98; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
NO KIDDING! WOW, GREAT NEWS!!


5 posted on 07/05/2002 5:52:00 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I know a group of business owners that are getting rady to do it in Delaware - Before our ban goes into effect

6 posted on 07/05/2002 6:00:26 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: okchemyst
Nothing personal, but I suppose being in Oklahoma, you think Red Lobster is a seafood restaurant.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

That would be like me, being in Maine, thinking that Sizzler was a Kansas City steak house.
7 posted on 07/05/2002 6:10:55 PM PDT by metesky
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To: SheLion
Yes Great news! Time to fight back against ordinances AND ridiculous taxes
8 posted on 07/05/2002 6:11:10 PM PDT by kcpopps
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To: Gabz
I know a group of business owners that are getting rady to do it in Delaware - Before our ban goes into effect

NO KIDDING!!!!! wow! SOMETHING needs to be done before those IDIOTS get their way!!!!!!!!!

9 posted on 07/05/2002 6:19:36 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
That would be like me, being in Maine, thinking that Sizzler was a Kansas City steak house.

Boy, metesky, you sure are fired up toNIGHT! haha

10 posted on 07/05/2002 6:21:39 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: chance33_98
......., but it gained 61% of the vote.

Who counted the votes and who voted?

11 posted on 07/05/2002 6:32:22 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: chance33_98
The lawsuit, which opponents had promised they would file, says the city has no authority to adopt such an ordinance, and that it violates property rights and is causing economic hardship. It names the city and the Lewis and Clark County Board of Health and the city-county health department.

This is a loser right from the start. Doesn't the smoker's side have any intelligent lawyers?

The precedent has been set and courts in all the other states where it has been fought this way have said the cities have a perfect right to regulate public health, that public health regulations do not infringe property rights and they could care less about the owners economic hardship in the face of a looming public health crisis.

This battle has to be fought with facts and science and the facts are that SHS harms nobody.

Isn't there one God damned lawyer out there with the brains and the intestinal fortitude to fight and win this on the facts or are all the lawyers just flippin' interested in getting on the damn gravy train?

12 posted on 07/05/2002 6:35:30 PM PDT by metesky
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To: okchemyst
Restaurants can go total NON, total smoking, or "provisional non-smoking" which means they have to jump thru a lot of hoops in keeping smokers and their smoke absolutely isolated from the rest</p

Even with the "jumping through hoops" section, this law seems a lot more fair than most places which don't even have the option.

13 posted on 07/05/2002 7:47:45 PM PDT by Max McGarrity
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To: metesky
If smoking becomes prohibited in most places of the United States, which is certainly the direction in which the country is moving, it will not be because of the success of the anti-smoking forces alone. In large part it will be because of the failure of those who believe in liberty to fight back."

Part of the problem "of the failure of those who believe in liberty to fight back" is they do not know what U.S. Constitution provisions to stand on when making a case for liberty.

Just as "the right to an abortion" is constitutionally defended by the 9th amendment, the same liberty defense can be used for the activity of smoking a cigarette, pipe, or cigar.

For those who do not know the context of the 9th amendment, here is a refresher: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to DENY or DISPARAGE others retained by the people.

In addition, where does any governmental body, whether local, state, or federal, get "legislative jurisdiction" over the use of private property? When did a privately owned restaurant or drinking establishment become public property?

And when did the 5th amendment become frivolous and non-binding on governmental bodies? "nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."

We citizens have to start exerting these constitutionally protected, inalienable rights, either at the public hearings at local government meetings, calling out our state and federal representatives, in person, by telephone, or by e-mail or start filing federal lawsuits seeking injunctions of these unconstitutional laws from being implemented.

This is my strategy and I am implementing it.

14 posted on 07/06/2002 4:05:52 PM PDT by tahiti
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